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  • TechND Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Nov 1, 2012 5:15 AM (in response to japamac)

    japamac -

     

    Once again, thank you for your fine post and contribution to this discussion. Drivers, especially have always been a huge problem and time consuming annoyance on the Windows platform, whereas that problem has been virtually non existant on the Mac OS.

     

    When facing technical challenges with hardware/software, of course it is never as easy and simple on Windows PC's either. I have worked extensively on both platforms, over the past 20 years,  and I can tell you that many, many times PC's are much more backward and far less well thought out, with convoluted instructions in many cases, with regards to their implementation of technology, upgrades, installations, or otherwise, than has been the case with the Mac platform. For instance that whole "Plug and Play" technology phrase which MS adopted from watching Apple's amazing accomplishments with regard to implementing solutions which allowed 3rd party products to work both quickly and easily with any Mac, is still pretty much a huge joke on the Windows platform, vs its being largely still quite true on Mac OS where it has been this way for many, many years. This is one reason why the phrase "More Mac Like" has been used very heavily by Microsoft, and countless third party vendors, with each new major Windows operating system release over the years, even if and when it did not live up to its promise time and again. MS is well known by everyone in the industry for their implementation of exaggerated claims, and FUD as sales tools . You never hear the phrase "More Windows Like", just "More Mac Like". On either platform, when you are looking at converging technologies, which are constantly changing, trying to fit old with new, there can many times, but not always, be challenges which need to be overcome. Sometimes you have to be a bit of a McGuyver to make them work.

    No, the guy (Jacumba?) was obviously intoxicated, or, if not, he is certainly just an obnoxious troll out to flame on the Apple Discussion Forums. I for one would like to keep this community clean and friendly. Lets not 'feed the troll' but instead just do the appropriate thing and report him. He belongs somewhere else, like on the Yahoo boards where there are more like his own kind.  I have not found the mechanism for reporting abuse to 'Apple Discussions' on these boards, since the need arises so rarely....but that task is on my short list of items to do today.

  • Glen Doggett Level 4 Level 4 (1,780 points)
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    Nov 4, 2012 7:56 PM (in response to TechND)

    TechND wrote:

     

    ...I have not found the mechanism for reporting abuse to 'Apple Discussions' ...

    FYI - this Privilige is granted for Level 2 and higher members

    https://discussions.apple.com/static/apple/tutorial/reputation.html

     

    The Report post link shows up next to the Like and Reply links below every post, here is a screen capture:

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    very rarely needed around here, with sincere, helpful, and knowledgeable people being the norm.

  • TechND Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Nov 5, 2012 5:27 AM (in response to Glen Doggett)

    "very rarely needed around here, with sincere, helpful, and knowledgeable people being the norm."

     

    Agree, as I have already stated in my post. Which is why I also state I'd like to keep it that way. I hadn't found a way to report abuse becuase I had not looked, not becuase I was looking and could not find it. I reported the abuse via another mehcanism at Apple. Thank you for your kind offer of information and reply.

  • lime-iMacG3 Level 1 Level 1 (15 points)
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    Feb 23, 2013 4:15 PM (in response to ajvg4)

    Hi,

     

    sorry for digging out this old post. I hope this is ok on this forum.

     

    Do PowerMacs (G4 and G5) support 4k drives (internally and external) under 10.4 and do they recognize 3TB Drives in external cases (since I allready learned from this thread, that internally only 2,2TB are recognized. Is that total or for each SATA-Connector. I would also guess that a Sonnet SATA-Card or SUA XRack 100E (also sold as Macsense and Acard or Firmtek Cards would only allow 1TB per SATA-port, given the time, they were sold/produced, right?)?

     

    Now a completely stupid question (as I know, one can have problems and faulty drives with every manufacturerer), but can one buy a Toshiba with the same confidence one (I for one) has?

     

    Thank you very much in advance!

  • lime-iMacG3 Level 1 Level 1 (15 points)
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    Feb 24, 2013 7:25 AM (in response to lime-iMacG3)

    Edit: it must read "the same confidence I would have in a Hitachi drive"

  • Allan Jones Level 7 Level 7 (29,610 points)
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    Feb 26, 2013 10:00 PM (in response to lime-iMacG3)

    Welcome!

     

    sorry for digging out this old post. I hope this is ok on this forum.

     

    You won't be shot at dawn, but you will always get better help in Apple Discussions by starting your own thread. It's hard on the helpers to have multiple issues popping upon one thread--"exact same problem" turns out to be rare. Tagging on with another question dilutes the help the original poster deserves without getting you the help you need.

     

    I know other forums may flame your tailfeathers for starting a new thread but the new thread works best here for the techincal issues involved. For now, let's leave this where it is and see if the other guys jump back in.

     

    I look forward to seeing you around here!

     

    Allan

  • Web dude Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Feb 27, 2013 10:48 AM (in response to ajvg4)

    Can my G4 tower support the SATA controller PCI card? I currently have an IDE card with IDE drives and wanted to upgrade.

     

    thx

  • lime-iMacG3 Level 1 Level 1 (15 points)
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    Feb 27, 2013 11:09 AM (in response to Web dude)

    Yes.

     

    I had Sonnet, ACARD and Macsense/SUA. There is Firmtek/Seritek (which makes the driver/Firmware for Sonnet products), too.

     

    ACARD, I do not remember, sold it, because I allready had the others and didn't need RAID support.

     

    Sonnet (Tempo 2x SATA internal), nearly every drive is compatible, but the connectors get flimsy, if you often plug and unplug the cables. Get the Seritek/Firmtek instead, it has a metal clip arround the SATA-connector so it will not get worn out and it has the same firmware, so compatibility should be given for every drive, too.

     

    Macsense/SUA (have version SUA 100E eXRack combined 2xSATA + 1x SATA external + 1x IDE-133). Not all drives are compatible (Samsung F1, 2008 and 2009 is not). It supports deep sleep.

     

    People mentioned they have problems with Sonnet as soon as the Mac goes into sleep. In my case it showed up in the way, that if I burned a disc with Toast or converted a file with iMovie or copied a file from one drive to another the system would hang up as soon as the task has finished, but no other task can be started, even when the data used was not on the Sonnet connected drive. Reboot is the only solution. I now have sleep in energy setings permanently disabled and have no problems any longer.

  • Helmut Kaleth Level 2 Level 2 (235 points)
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    Mar 2, 2013 10:10 AM (in response to Web dude)

    I´m using ACARD in my G4 sawtooth for years now and never had any problem with it.

  • Web dude Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Mar 20, 2013 7:42 AM (in response to Helmut Kaleth)

    do you see much faster data rate transfers between drives? Just curious

  • lime-iMacG3 Level 1 Level 1 (15 points)
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    Apr 7, 2013 10:27 AM (in response to Web dude)

    I didn't see much faster transfer rates. It depends, if you have a slow IDE drive from 2007 (on the onboard ATA-66-BUS), that gets 25MB/s while copying a Movie file, you will get 35MB/s with a 2009 1TB drive. A 2TB-drive from 2013 (7200rpm) got me 37MB/s.

     

    Since everyone is talking about the wonders of SATA in old G4s, I must do something terribly wrong. But I have to say, though, drives connected to the SATA-Cards have visible faster acces times. I see that folders open faster than on the on board ATA-66 port.

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