12 Replies Latest reply: Jun 10, 2014 10:53 AM by poikkeus1 Branched to a new discussion.
poikkeus1 Level 3 Level 3 (965 points)

I have a full iTunes backup of music, video, and podcasts that's also associated to my iPod Touch. However, when I purchased an iPad Mini, I looked for a way to back up that content.

 

With iTunes open, and the iPad Mini docked, I see this text on my iTunes desktop:

 

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However, when I disconnect my iPad and perform a Spotlight search for several items, like videos or podcasts, they don't appear. If the data is being backed up, where is it? If iTunes promises that "a full backup of your iPad will be stored on your computer," why can't I find these backed up items when the iPad is disconnected?

 

On my hard drive, I have a back up of all my media associated with my iPod Touch, including podcasts, audio books, and so on - even if it's not connected. Why can't I find the media associated with the iPad Mini? Am I missing something?


iPad, iOS 6.1.2
  • 1. Re: "A full backup of your iPad will be stored on this computer" - really?
    John Galt Level 8 Level 8 (36,390 points)

    Really.

     

    poikkeus1 wrote:

    ... If the data is being backed up, where is it?

     

    Where iTunes backups are stored on your computer

     

    ~/Library/Application Support/MobileSync/Backup/

  • 2. Re: "A full backup of your iPad will be stored on this computer" - really?
    JimHdk Level 7 Level 7 (23,635 points)

    The backup is created as a single compressed file. You won't be able to find content in it with a spotlight search.

     

    There are some applications which can examined the content of an iDevice backup file.

     

    Backup files are located in /Users/USERNAME/Library/Application Support/MobileSync/Backup/

  • 3. Re: "A full backup of your iPad will be stored on this computer" - really?
    William Rivas Level 5 Level 5 (4,225 points)

    poikkeus1 wrote:

     

    I have a full iTunes backup of music, video, and podcasts that's also associated to my iPod Touch. However, when I purchased an iPad Mini, I looked for a way to back up that content.

     

    With iTunes open, and the iPad Mini docked, I see this text on my iTunes desktop:

     

    screenshot_70.jpg

    However, when I disconnect my iPad and perform a Spotlight search for several items, like videos or podcasts, they don't appear. If the data is being backed up, where is it? If iTunes promises that "a full backup of your iPad will be stored on your computer," why can't I find these backed up items when the iPad is disconnected?

     

    On my hard drive, I have a back up of all my media associated with my iPod Touch, including podcasts, audio books, and so on - even if it's not connected. Why can't I find the media associated with the iPad Mini? Am I missing something?

    They are stored here: /Users/USERNAME/Library/Application Support/MobileSync/Backup/

     

    The easiest way to get to that folder, which is hidden on a Mac, is to hold down the Option Key while clicking on the Finder Menu and select Go. Do not let go of the Option Key. You will see Library Appear. No you can go the listed folder and see your backups.

     

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  • 4. Re: "A full backup of your iPad will be stored on this computer" - really?
    poikkeus1 Level 3 Level 3 (965 points)

    First, thanks for the fast and accurate answer.

     

    That's the answer I came up with, too. I went to the two relevant folders - ones probably associated with my iPod Touch and iPad Mini.

     

    However, when search for both folders, the sizes are 44 and 49MB. However, there's over 20GB of video on my iPad Mini alone! I realize that some compression is going on with these files - but 44 or 49MB for a iPad backup totals over 30GB?

     

    Why are my /Library/Application Support/MobileSync/Backup files so small at 44 or 49MB, when my iPad storage for video alone is over 20GB? Why isn't my data being backed up? If iTunes, with the iPad connected, claims "a full backup of your iPad will be stored on your computer," where is it? It's got to be somewhere.

  • 5. Re: "A full backup of your iPad will be stored on this computer" - really?
    iOSGuy2012 Level 2 Level 2 (195 points)

    The back up only contacts the settings, camera roll pictures,  and other misc data in the back up itself... Content like Purchased Music, Audiobooks, songs, etc needs to be transferred into your iTunes library since these are not saved in the back up.

  • 6. Re: "A full backup of your iPad will be stored on this computer" - really?
    poikkeus1 Level 3 Level 3 (965 points)

    iOSGuy2012 wrote:

     

    The back up only contacts the settings, camera roll pictures,  and other misc data in the back up itself... Content like Purchased Music, Audiobooks, songs, etc needs to be transferred into your iTunes library since these are not saved in the back up.

    That makes complete sense.

     

    But now I'm really curious. Why does my iPod Touch back up everything, including songs and video, while iPad content like video and podcasts isn't being transferred? More to the point: what can I do to make my iPad Mini transfer video and audio the same way that my iPod Touch does?

     

    Or to be blunt: is Apple fibbing when they say "a full backup of your iPad will be stored on this computer," when it's only a small archive of settings and pics?

  • 7. Re: "A full backup of your iPad will be stored on this computer" - really?
    iOSGuy2012 Level 2 Level 2 (195 points)

    This article explains in full detail what iTunes actually backs up from the device itself.

     

    iTunes: About iOS backups

  • 8. Re: "A full backup of your iPad will be stored on this computer" - really?
    poikkeus1 Level 3 Level 3 (965 points)

    Another very good post. By reading it, I came upon this text:

     

    The Camera Roll will not be restored to your device in the following circumstances:

    • You are attempting to restore an iPad, but the Camera Roll backup was made with an iPhone or iPod touch
    • You are attempting to restore an iPhone or iPod touch, but the Camera Roll backup was made with an iPad

    In short, it's possible to restore a lot of information from an iPod Touch, but you won't be able to restore similar information from an iPad Mini. Put more simply, a user has more backup options with a iPod Touch than with an iPad. I have over 30GB of music on my iPod Touch that I back up regularly; I can't back up music the same way with my iPad Mini.

     

    Interesting.

  • 9. Re: "A full backup of your iPad will be stored on this computer" - really?
    Dirk_R Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I am trying really, really hard to think of a polite way to say this, but I can't think of any. Somebody at Apple needs to do their homework and read Wikipedia:

     

    In information technology, a backup, or the process of backing up, refers to the copying and archiving of computer data so it may be used to restore the original after a data loss event.

    So what iTunes is creating is not a backup, as it does not have enough information to restore the original. And calling it a 'full backup' is really adding insult to injury. If I'm generous I would call it 'Settings backup', but that's not quite right either.

     

    And the whole 'it should be in your iTunes library' really is pretty useless if you use more than one computer, which I'm sure I'm not the only one.

     

    So if somebody finds this page looking for an answer: There is no way to do a full backup of your iPad that you can use to restore it after a data loss. Period.

  • 10. Re: "A full backup of your iPad will be stored on this computer" - really?
    poikkeus1 Level 3 Level 3 (965 points)

    This thread has been around for over a year now, and I have since come up with a solution.  A full backup.with a good all like Superduper will back up all of your data - with a few omissions. For example, non DRM books and some PDFs are best handled with something like Dropbox.

     

    In other words, you can perform a full backup with relevant software that is bootable. Or, you can back up your data sans some formatting with Time Machine (and an external HD). Or you can do a cloud backup.

     

    You CAN back up your data and restore it after a data loss. I've done it several times.

  • 11. Re: "A full backup of your iPad will be stored on this computer" - really?
    Dirk_R Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Ok, so now I'm confused. How does Superduper help me back up an iPad? I don't see any hint on the page that it does anything for a iPad/iPhone etc. Besides being a Mac-only tool, which doesn't help a Windows user like me.

  • 12. Re: "A full backup of your iPad will be stored on this computer" - really?
    poikkeus1 Level 3 Level 3 (965 points)

    I'm not familiar with Windows software, so I can't help you there - though I'm sure that Windows has more backup software than Apple.

     

    In short, Superduper backs up my iPad through iTunes. It takes all of my iPad documents - movies, audio, TV shows, podcasts, and even books - and stores them in a library in iTunes. If you perform a search, you'll see all of your iPad documents there.

     

    What does Superduper do, then? When I perform a full backup through Superduper, it has all the documents on my iMac's hard drive - and that includes all the files from my iPad, which organizes files from iTunes. And Superduper makes the backup bootable, in case my iMac's HD goes south.

     

    As I said, I can't help you with Windows software, but this article: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2278661,00.asp

    will give your a start.