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Apr 12, 2013 5:27 PM

I'm seriously considering a move to Light Room.   My question for Apple is... were is Aperture version 4 and the latest raw support updates.  Do you know or care how many people are  being pushed to light room by you.


Give me any upgrade with good raw support, a better noise reduction system, and lens correction.  Charge me more money.. just don't make me move and quit being silent about it. 


Say something Apple.. either you will continue to build Aperture or it's relegated to iphoto status and the rest of us should just start our exports and work moving to a company that cares about the quality of the software they have.




Thedore Sleeper

St. Louis, Mo.

  • stedman1 Level 8 Level 8 (49,970 points)
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    Apr 12, 2013 5:28 PM (in response to tksleeper)

    Tell Apple at the link below.

  • ButchM Level 1 Level 1 (40 points)
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    Apr 12, 2013 6:41 PM (in response to tksleeper)

    Theodore, I not only share your concerns, I have echoed them here on this forum and elsewhere ... as well as offering my thoughts, concerns and ideas using the Aperture feedback link on a very regular basis.


    The only thing I will point out to you is that I really don't think, nor does the history of evidence prove that Adobe is any less of a concern for having their user's best interests at heart.


    While I really, really, really would like to see Apple issue a meaningful update I also don't think Lightroom is a panacea of perfection.  This coming from someone who has used Lightroom since the very first public beta was offered for v1.


    While the Library and Develop modules are pretty darned good ... the rest of Lr is much less useful and has a myriad of problems.  The Book module is a total joke for any Lr user who would wish to use anyone other than Blurb for book printing because you can't create custom page sizes that would conform with other printers requirements. Though Aperture 3 only offers a single source for ordering a book from within the app itself ... it has had the ability to create custom page sizes and templates since the day it was introduced ... and folks think Apple is a "closed" system?


    The Slideshow module is a complete joke ... only one intro and one ending title slide, only one transition style, you can only use a single audio track ... and there is no capability for including video clips ... no timeline adjustment ... etc., etc.


    The Web module hasn't been touched since v1.


    Quite often, once you get beyond Library and Develop ... the modules are more famus for what they can't do than what they can offer in terms of workflow enhancement.


    Now to the interesting part ... if you purchase a new camera and it happens to arrive on the cusp of a new version of Lr, you are forced to upgrade, as Adobe will not offer backwards compatibility ... users either must upgrade, even if there are no other new features they need or desire ... or convert their images to DNG before importing them into Lr ... conversely, though there hasn't been a major update to Aperture 3, Apple has offered support for new cameras since it was introduced in Feb. 2010 at no charge ...


    If you use tethered shooting in your workflow ... forget timely support for a new camera ... Apple added tethered support and RAW support for the Nikon D600 in Oct. 2012 ... nearly six months ago ... while Adobe added RAW support for the D600 about the same time ... they have yet to offer tethering support for the D600 ... Granted, photographers who rely on tethered shooting could be considered to be a small subset of the over all user base ... but at least Apple doesn't think those few users are so insignificant to drag their feet on supporting new cameras ... in fact Apple supports over twice as many cameras for tethering as does Adobe.


    Now look at the recent changes in Adobes upgrade policy ... you can no longer skip a generation and still receive upgrade pricing. While currently, Lightroom, is the odd man out in this policy, I don't think it will be for long.  So you can no longer voice your displeasure for a version by opting out on a version, for if you do ... you'll be penalized by paying full price the next time around.


    Then look at Adobe's new subscription deal offering. Sounds great on the face, and if you go for the full CS subscription ... it is a pretty good deal vs. normal pricing ... however ... once you are in ... you are in for good ... for if you leave and want to return to regular licensing ... if your apps you had before you joined the subscription model are more than one version out ... you guessed it ... you have to pay full price to upgrade.


    My concern is ... once locked into either the subscription or a must upgrade every version cycle ... where is the incentive for Adobe to push the envelope in further development?  Because users will have to accept whatever is offered or lose out on all they have invested.  I want my developers to be hungry and actually compete for my hard-earned income ... not just collect my subscription fees and dole out software piece meal resulting in mediocre options ...


    Again, while agree with you 100% ... I feel I must caution you about just how much greener it looks across the fence for Lightroom ...

  • Kirby Krieger Level 6 Level 6 (11,570 points)
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    Apr 12, 2013 8:19 PM (in response to tksleeper)

    1. Apple sponsors this User Discussion but makes no claim to reading it or responding to it.  The only approved way to communicate with Apple is via the Feedback forms.


    1a. Discussion Users are restricted from speculating about Apple products.  The Terms of Use are here.  See Paragraph 2.1.1 and following.


    2.  IME, the Noise Reduction adjustment is much better than it is usually given credit for, but you have to learn how to use the sliders.  The default setting does little (or nothing).  (That said, I use NIK's {now Google's} DFine for NR on any images destined for sale.  But those all get reworked anyway.  Aperture's NR Brick does a fine job for proofing.)


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