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Q: SheepShaver emulator for Classic on Apple Intel

I'm most likely way behind time, but since I'm trying to figure out how to keep a couple of my OS Classic programs as I migrate up to the Wild Cats,ie, Mt.Lion, I ran across an emulator for Classic called SheepSaver.  It is free, and been around a couple or so years.  I'm wondering if anyone is using it to maintain Classic while using Apple Intel?  And, has anyone tried using Adobe Premiere #5 (pre-adobe CS5) with success?

 

Thanks, Patt

Dual 2 GHz PowerPC G5, Mac OS X (10.4.11), 2 Gig Memory

Posted on Apr 21, 2013 12:33 PM

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  • by dalstott,Helpful

    dalstott dalstott Apr 21, 2013 2:03 PM in response to Patt
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    Apr 21, 2013 2:03 PM in response to Patt

    All emulators have problems with the smooth running of some applications compared to real hardware designed for the system in question. I think that Sheep Shaver also requires a ROM from an old Mac.

     

    An alternative is to purchase an older laptop just for the purpose of running classic Applications.

     

    I had a Pismo (2000 PowerBook G3) for years which dual booted into OS 9.2.2 and OS X 10.4.11. When it finally died I purchased a iBook G4 in Dec 2012 for $150 which will run Classic environment enabling me to accesss MacDraw, Claris Works, and many other old programs.

     

    This link lists the various PPC G3, G4, G5 based Macs that will Boot with and/or run Classic environment should you be interested.

     

    http://www.everymac.com/systems/by_capability/macs-that-support-macos-9-classic. html

  • by Patt,Helpful

    Patt Patt Apr 21, 2013 3:57 PM in response to dalstott
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    Apr 21, 2013 3:57 PM in response to dalstott

    Well, I'm on a G5 which doesn't boot into Classic, but I can use most of the programs. My husband is on a G4 which will allow OS9 to boot, which is already loaded with mentioned programs.  I have,  I think, most of my old installation Rom CDs, even Prefoma (early 1990s).  I may well buy a KVM switch which also allows dual monitors, and just switch back and forth between my macs. 

     

    I have just taken care of my husbands newly acquired Mac Min late 2010,  running Snow Leopard.  I got Eudora to work and transferred all his mail boxes via Target Disk Mode and a large amount of his addresses, it works really good, as does AppleWorks, Toast Titanum 7, even worked for Stickies once I found the right file on G4 to transfer.  But, eventually, Snow Leopard will go by way of Tiger, never to be supported again, not even the FireFox browser. I'd like to know I can upgrade his Mac as time goes buy so he can keep using the programs that he knows so well.  SheepSaver has been around for a while, and since I mostly find 2009 info, I was wondering if anyone had used the 2013 version.  I know it's being worked on continually.

     

    Thanks dalstott, I will copy your advice for future education.

  • by rccharles,

    rccharles rccharles Apr 25, 2013 10:40 AM in response to Patt
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    Apr 25, 2013 10:40 AM in response to Patt

    I've run the 2009 or earlier version on an intel mac running 10.4.11.  It was a little buggie. It was difficult to aline the ram file with a version of Classic supported.

     

    "SheepShaver is an Open Source PowerPC MacOS run-time environment. That is, it enables you to run PowerPC Classic MacOS software on your computer, even if you are using a different operating system. However, you still need a copy of MacOS and a PowerMacintosh ROM image to use this program. SheepShaver is distributed under the terms of the GNU General Public License (GPL). "

    http://gwenole.beauchesne.info/en/projects/sheepshaver

     

    Installing Mac OS Classic on SheepShaver is a struggle.  There is some instability once you have completed the installation.

     

    More Info:

    http://discussions.apple.com/message.jspa?messageID=9305653#9305653

    http://discussions.apple.com/message.jspa?messageID=9305965#9305965

  • by MlchaelLAX,Solvedanswer

    MlchaelLAX MlchaelLAX Apr 26, 2013 3:43 AM in response to Patt
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    Apr 26, 2013 3:43 AM in response to Patt

    The Classic game Risk II running in Sheepshaver on my Lion Mac Mini:

     

    Risk II.png

                                  [click on images to enlarge]

     

    Here is a post I recently assembled for another similar question:

     

     

    With the newer Intel Macs, you have to run a Classic emulator such as SheepShaver, which requires you to extract the Mac ROMs from your older Classic Mac and then install Mac OS 9.

     

    A related program is Chubby Bunny, which comes bundled with all of that included (google the term "Classic-On-Intel v 4.0.1 chubby bunny").

     

     

    More information on SheepShaver:

     

    http://www.emaculation.com/doku.php/sheepshaver_mac_os_x_setup

     

    and

     

    http://www.everymac.com/mac-answers/mac-os-9-classic-support-faq/run-macos-9-on- intel-macs.html

     

    and more information about Chubby Bunny:

     

    http://www.macwindows.com/OS9_on_Intel_Mac.html#092408b

     

    and

     

    http://hackthemac.blogspot.co.uk/2008/08/chubby-bunny-old-virtual-machine.html

     

     

     

    ALSO: FYI: Appleworks and Eudora running in Snow Leopard Server installed into Parallels 8 for use in Lion and Mt. Lion:

     

    Appleworks.jpg

     

     

    Eudora.png

    Apple is now selling Snow Leopard Server for $19.99 + sales tax & shipping costs at 1.800.MYAPPLE (1.800.692.7753) - Apple Part Number: MC588Z/A (telephone orders only).

     

    Back to the future...

  • by Patt,

    Patt Patt Apr 27, 2013 7:19 PM in response to MlchaelLAX
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    Apr 27, 2013 7:19 PM in response to MlchaelLAX

    Thank you very much, Michael, you are appreicate!

     

    I'm just about to jump into Intel Land, probably in a day or so.  You've not only helped me make up my very causious mind, but also saved me money.  I'm sure this isn't the last question I will have, but we can hope!

     

    Thanks, Patt

  • by MlchaelLAX,

    MlchaelLAX MlchaelLAX Apr 27, 2013 11:13 PM in response to Patt
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    Apr 27, 2013 11:13 PM in response to Patt

    Patt: Check out this link:

     

    http://www.adobe.com/downloads/cs2_downloads/

     

    This is not Classic, but PowerPC which requires Snow Leopard Server installed into Parallels 8 on a Lion or Mt. Lion Mac to run.

  • by Patt,

    Patt Patt Apr 28, 2013 4:26 PM in response to MlchaelLAX
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    Apr 28, 2013 4:26 PM in response to MlchaelLAX

    Hi Again,

    Let me  see if I understand what your last post was saying. 

     

    What I understand is that the applications, offered on the link above, applies only to PowerPc (Mac) not Classic. Does my reply coalescce with your intent?

     

    Adobe Premiere Mac is not listed, only Adobe Premiere Pro for Windows, if infact, this is to what you were referring.

     

    BTW, my Adobe Premiere started off in Classic #5 then was installed onto OS Panther>Tiger and updated to 6 > 6.5.  I still have, on CDs, all the levels except .5 update for #5 as it was a download .

  • by MlchaelLAX,

    MlchaelLAX MlchaelLAX Apr 28, 2013 4:53 PM in response to Patt
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    Apr 28, 2013 4:53 PM in response to Patt

    My mistake: I was confusing Adobe Premiere with the other products contained in Adobe's Creative Suite; such as Illustrator, Photoshop, etc.

     

    Sorry for the confusion about these updated products that, while more modern than Classic, only run on PowerPC.

  • by Patt,

    Patt Patt Apr 28, 2013 9:27 PM in response to MlchaelLAX
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    Apr 28, 2013 9:27 PM in response to MlchaelLAX

    No problem, it's not like you don't help a bunch of people  continually... As before, thank you very much!

     

    Patt

  • by Patt,

    Patt Patt May 2, 2013 4:33 PM in response to MlchaelLAX
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    May 2, 2013 4:33 PM in response to MlchaelLAX

    Just went down to order my Mac Mini 2012 from the Apple store.  When I said I would install Mt. Lion then Paralled then SLS.  Either way, he determined I was brainless, I think.  I was phoned later to tell me that Apple no longer sold SLS; will phone tomorrow to check it out. He pretty much foo-fooed emulation period.

     

    My question is, might I have problems using the 2012 i7 Mac Mini in carring out this procedure?

  • by MlchaelLAX,

    MlchaelLAX MlchaelLAX May 2, 2013 5:02 PM in response to Patt
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    May 2, 2013 5:02 PM in response to Patt

    REALLY!?!

     

    Here is my latest invoice for Snow Leopard Server from Apple that arrived TODAY:

     

    SLS Invoice.jpg

                                  [click on image to enlarge]

     

    Who is the brainless one now!?

     

    If he foo-foo's emulation, what is HIS solution to running your software?  Buy a PC? Hahahahahaha...

     

    To answer your question most simply: NO!

     

    Call 1-800-MYAPPLE and order away!!

     

    UPDATE: Be sure to get a minimum of 8GB of RAM in your Mac Mini and more if you can afford it!

  • by Patt,

    Patt Patt May 2, 2013 7:54 PM in response to MlchaelLAX
    Level 2 (180 points)
    May 2, 2013 7:54 PM in response to MlchaelLAX

    You're too funny!  You made my DAY!  Will definitely call tomorrow.

     

    I purchased 16GB of Ram.  Surprisingly, I was going to buy 16GB of ram from a different, non-apple source when this young lady, who was going to check me out, told me that for $125 I could get a non-apple ram from them installed.  I showed her the difference between buying apple vs non-apple (had it written down), but since the price for the non-apple was $106 and they wanted $125 which included instalation, and was the Ram was guaranteed for live (my life I hope),  I took the deal. From the Apple web site, it would have cost me $300 for 16GB.

     

    Perhaps when I get my Mac Mini up and working with parallel and SLS, I will take it down to the store and show this crazy lady's' SLS's emulator. Just because a listener has never heard of a particular idea, doesn't mean the teller is ignorant.  Next time, if there is ever a next time, I have to go to this Apple store, I'll wait to talk to the young woman, good experience there.  Better stick with the forums, their agendas are way more pure.

     

    Again, Thank you so much!

    I will sleep much easier tonight.

  • by rccharles,

    rccharles rccharles May 3, 2013 11:43 AM in response to Patt
    Level 6 (8,516 points)
    Classic Mac OS
    May 3, 2013 11:43 AM in response to Patt

    I just bought the server software 10.6.3 server.  Now, what did get?  Is the a full install of the server software?  Will I be able to run PPC programs on it?

     

    The lady I talked to was very nice and not rushed.  She wanted to make sure I was getting what I wanted .  I was like no no, I just want to buy it.

     

    How do I get around running the software on a newer machine than the software will support?  Using parallels avoids this problem?

     

    Robert

  • by MlchaelLAX,

    MlchaelLAX MlchaelLAX May 3, 2013 12:54 PM in response to rccharles
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    May 3, 2013 12:54 PM in response to rccharles

    Robert:

     

    Let's review the state of the art:

     

    PowerPC software (PPC) was written to work on the PowerPC CPU platform that Apple utilized in their Macs from the mid-1990's through 2006, when they moved to the Intel CPU architecture.

     

    In a brilliant move that allowed all of their current user base to continue to utilize their PPC software on the newer Intel Macs, Apple licensed technology which Apple included in Mac OS X Tiger 10.4.x for Intel which they named Rosetta.  It transparently allowed the PPC software to continue to run on Intel Macs.  This technology continued with Leopard and was optionally available in Snow Leopard.

     

    Apple license to include Rosetta expired with their release of Lion and now Mountain Lion.  Hence those platforms will not run PPC software.

     

    For purchasers of new Macs that run Mountain Lion, PPC software owners only have three options:

     

    1.  Update their PPC software to an Intel version, if the software publisher makes such a version available;

     

    2.  Find another modern day (Intel) application that will open their PPC software data files, modify them and then save the modified data files for future use, if such modern day apps exist; or

     

    3.  Install Snow Leopard into a virtualization program such as Parallels 8.  This combination will run in Mt. Lion and gives the user access to Rosetta in Snow Leopard.

     

    With some work, Snow Leopard client can be made to install into programs such as Parallels 8, but the current best suggestion is to purchase Snow Leopard Server, whicn can be easily installed in Parallels 8.  Snow Leopard Server also automatically installs Rosetta; it is not optional. 

     

    Yes, you purchased the full Mac OS X Snow Leopard Server Install DVD.  Once installed into Parallels 8, I just ignore the "Server" applications, and to make matters more simple, I remove the Server apps from the SLS dock.

     

    So to answer your last question, installing Snow Leopard Server into Parallels 8 (and then installing Parallels Tools, as described in the Parallels instruction manual) will give you full access to most of your PPC software library on your new Mt. Lion Mac.

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