Currently Being ModeratedApr 26, 2013 7:25 AM (in response to fceNovice)
Hifi and stereo are not the same thing and for most things in this century shouldn't be used together. Stereo is two separate channels while Hi-fi is two mono channels of the same thing.
How you capture audio in FC7 can be changed in the capture settings before you capture the clip(command+8). In the clip settings tab (audio section) you can select the number of channel you will be capturing and whether this is a stereo or mono capture.
To the far left of channels 1&2 is the stereo mono switch. A line going from 1 to the switch and then on to 2 denotes stereo capture.
No line means mono which is still two channels(1+2). Two channels show up in the timeline because you captured two mono files. If you look at the audio column in the bin for you clip you should see also see 2 mono.
Currently Being ModeratedApr 26, 2013 8:49 AM (in response to darbypsnm)
Thanks for this info darbypsnm. My bad, I grant you that the fact I used the HiFi tracks was not particularly relevant, except to say that in the wonderful world of VHS the term 'HiFi' refers to the embedded AFM stereo audio tracks recorded by the flying heads. whereas the linear track is the older (often mono) audio system.
I also managed to omit a very important fact: I am working with Final Cut Express 4. Now the feature you show might well exist in version 4, but I can't find it! The only tab I have in the capture pane is 'capture'.
I have maybe captured two mono tracks, a left and a right, as you suggest. I can't prove that however. If i go to edit>item properties it says Audio, 1 Stereo then it lists V1, A1 Left, A2 Right. If I double click the clip icon it opens in the Viewer with Video V1, and Audio Stereo (a1, a2). In the bin tracks column it says '1V, 2A', and in the audio column is says '1 stereo'. So with my limited knowledge of the software I'd say it was stereo. If it is, I do not understand why it plays in mono using a stand alone viewer like Quicktime or WMP....
Currently Being ModeratedApr 30, 2013 2:05 AM (in response to Alchroma)
Hi Al thank you for the help, yes the post was moved.
I am running Snow Leopard, but I have been playing around with various file formats and stumbled on a solution which is probably page one. I assumed the captured file was in a final DVPAL Quicktime format, exactly as ingested. But if I export this file as a quicktime movie, I end up with a file of the same size that does play in stereo.The files look identical, same extension everything. But if you 'apple i', the original file has an extra line: Audio tracks, 2.
So now I'm thinking that Final Cut Express 4 capture can only ever be an intermedary stage. I did not want to export for fear of degrading the quality (and the extra time needed, but that's not really a big problem).
If that's right, maybe would a later version of Final Cut Express solve the issue?
Currently Being ModeratedApr 30, 2013 6:44 AM (in response to fceNovice)
FCE 4.0.1 is the latest version and there will be no others, Apple now has FCP X and that's it apart from iMovie.
Exporting as a QuickTime Movie will give you an exact copy of what is in the timeline.
Stereo ill always show as a stereo pair eg. a1 and a2 linked by green inward facing triangles.
Stereo pairs can be unpaired if required.
I did not want to export for fear of degrading the quality (and the extra time needed
Have you tried exporting as a Reference file rather than self Contained?
Currently Being ModeratedApr 30, 2013 7:08 AM (in response to fceNovice)
... VHS video with HiFI stereo audio was converted with a Sony DCR TRV355 camera to DVPAL 720x576. Audio 16Bit 48Khz. Firewire cable plugged into the MAC running FCE4 and captured using 'capture now'.
This should have worked fine. A few questions -
- Did you use the TRV355 as a converter between your VHS deck and your Mac, or did you record the VHS video to a tape in your TRV355 ... and later use FCE to capture from the TRV355 tape?
- What Easy Setup did you use in FCE when you captured this video?
- Exactly what versions of FCE, OS X and QuickTime are on the Mac you used to capture the video? Do you have QuickTime7 installed on this Mac?
- Did you experience the "mono problem" playing the captured clip on the same Mac you used to capture the video, or did the problem appear on a different Mac?
- When you experienced the "mono problem" were you playing the captured clip in QuickTime X or QuickTime 7?
For what it's worth, I have observed that if I play a video clip in QuickTime X that was captured on a Mac with FCE/QuickTime 7, for some inexplicable reason QT X does not fully recognize all the tracks in the clip. Mostly it thinks the clips are audio only, no video; but if I play the clip in QT7 it plays fine.
Currently Being ModeratedApr 30, 2013 7:13 AM (in response to fceNovice)
If you used the DV PAL Easy Setup in FCE when you captured the clip, then yes the captured clip is QuickTime DV/PAL "exactly as ingested". If you export this clip from FCE to QuickTime Movie, the exported file is an exact copy of the original clip (except for any edits, transitions, effects, etc. you may have made in FCE).
Currently Being ModeratedApr 30, 2013 12:15 PM (in response to MartinR)
Covering a lot of ground here, in reply to you and Al: I did not try exporting as a reference file Al, I don't really know what that's for, I thought that is just a small file that points to the original file? Both you and Martin reckon an export as aquicktime movie will give an exact copy of what's in the timeline so something's a little weird here.
The Sony 355 was used as a converter - VHS video and audio in, firewire out, all in real time.
Easy setup was
Using: DV PAL DV Converter
(This was the same as DV PAL Firewire Basic but without the Device control enabled)
OS x 10.6.2
Quicktime 10.0 (No quicktime 7 on this MAC)
The mono problem was playing the clip on the same MAC as used to capture the video. I also exported the original file to a PC and had the mono problem in Windows Media Player amd FLV free player.
Now that I have an export that DOES play in Stereo (on the same MAC) I now need to move this file to the PC and check it's still stereo in WMP
I did not make any changes (that I am aware) to the original file in FCE...
Thanks for your input Guys, much appreciated.