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DocOrly Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

I just installed Aperture 3 (from a CD) which has not updates at all.

Now when i go to update i see updates from 3 to 4 which update do i do, all of them one by one or just the latest one?

Thank you,


iMac, OS X Mountain Lion (10.8.3)
  • 1. Re: aperture updates
    Frank Caggiano Level 7 Level 7 (23,830 points)

    Where are you seeing the updates? If you run Software Update it should just install the changes that you need for your system.

     

    In any case the updates are non cumulative, you only need to install the latest one.

  • 2. Re: aperture updates
    DocOrly Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Thank you for the quick reply.

    I went to the Aperture Support from the Help tab of Aperture and it showed ALL the updates from 3.1 pm up.

    So if they are non cumulative then that mean i would have to update all of then one at a time...... If i understand you the 3.4.4 does not have ALL the other updates in them.

    I only just installed it and i already don't really like the organization method it has i wanted my edits to be in the same forlder as the original folder. (i am working with a referenced method). 

    Thank you

  • 3. Re: aperture updates
    Frank Caggiano Level 7 Level 7 (23,830 points)

    No by non-cumulative I mean one does not depend on an earlier one.

     

     

    In any case the updates are non cumulative, you only need to install the latest one.

    But what you should do is go to the Apple menu in the upper left hand corner of the screen and run Software Update… that will ensure you get all the latest updates for your system

     

    Message was edited by: Frank Caggiano

  • 4. Re: aperture updates
    DocOrly Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    THANKS! done.

  • 5. Re: aperture updates
    Frank Caggiano Level 7 Level 7 (23,830 points)

    You're quicker then me

     

    Ok good but see my post the best thing to do is run software update.

  • 6. Re: aperture updates
    Frank Caggiano Level 7 Level 7 (23,830 points)

    First realize that Aperture is a fairly advanced application so it will take some time to get the hang of it and learn it's strengths and weaknesses.

     

    I only just installed it and i already don't really like the organization method it has i wanted my edits to be in the same forlder as the original folder. (i am working with areferenced method).

     

    I'm not sure Im understanding this sentence. The edits (actually the versions created from your edits) don't exist as files until you export a version. Until they they are really just entries in Aperture's database, so you won;t see them in the folder where the referenced originals are if I am understanding your comment.

     

    Look through the user tips here there are a number of tips to help you get a feel for the library. Also have a look at the user manual especially the sections on library organization.

     

    regards

  • 7. Re: aperture updates
    DocOrly Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I have always used Picasa for quick view of my photos and Photoshop edit major edits. Picasa just picks up on any changes you make on your photo or photo name or folder, the changes are made automatically and show up when you open Picasa or if you go back to the original folder all the changes are there.

    basically want my photos and edited photos to be in the same spot and have a place to quickly view my photos. I would like it to view my photos and keep them in their original folder and when editing them Aperture it would show up in the viewing program, but it does not. (

    Picasa basically just mirrors my hard drive and if I make any edits those show up like a mirror. But it seems if I change the name or the original folder Aperture does not mirror that, I would have to important it as a new project. Correct?

     

    So I think! I understand what you mean by exporting it after I edit it to the Original folder to sit side by side with the original unedited photo, correct?

  • 8. Re: aperture updates
    DocOrly Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    THANKS for taking the time to help an Aperture newby

  • 9. Re: aperture updates
    Kirby Krieger Level 6 Level 6 (11,945 points)

    Aperture is a database for managing a photographer's workflow.  It is not a file manager (it does that as well) -- it is an image-manager.  This is a rather high hurdle to set before beginners well-versed with file management.

     

    Read the first seven chapters of the unusually well-done User Manual to get a sense of how the program works.  Also take a look at my consise guide to the parts of Aperture and how they inter-relate (it is on the Aperture Discussions User Tips page).

     

    Many of us went through similar frustrations when we started with Aperture.  It _is_ different, and that difference requires adjustment on your part.  Imho, it is vastly superior to using file managers to manage a photographer's workflow, but my telling you doesn't mean much.  Try it, and try to work with it _the way it is designed to work_.  I think you'll be glad, will use it with pleasure, and will never look back.  But you are going to have to spend several hours learning how it works.

     

    All that said, what you describe as how you want it to work, is, in fact, how it works.  I can't tell what is not working for you, unless you are looking outside the database at files and not using the Aperture interface to look at Images.

     

    HTH.

     

    --Kirby.

    (Sent from my magic glass.)

  • 10. Re: aperture updates
    DocOrly Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    "I can't tell what is not working for you, unless you are looking outside the database at files and not using the Aperture interface to look at Images."

     

    I think that is a bingo! i am looking at the original location to see what is occuring in the folder and not in Aperture interface! Good or bad i am used to that work flow simply bc if i ever would want to move on to another program i want to take my "Suitecase of folders original and updated versions" with me.

     

    Saying that, i will read all that you have recommended and see if i get a better grasp of things.

    At least now i understand what Frank was saying about exporting the photo to where i want it (it's a fancy way of saying copy and past, or save as...)

  • 11. Re: aperture updates
    DocOrly Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    THANKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BOTH

  • 12. Re: aperture updates
    léonie Level 9 Level 9 (51,730 points)

    At least now i understand what Frank was saying about exporting the photo to where i want it (it's a fancy way of saying copy and past, or save as...)

    Not quite - "Export" is very different from "Save as":

    In the newer Macos X versions there is a fine distinction between "Save" and "Export".

    • You "Save" or "Save as" documents and data to be used by the same application that has created them. "Save" will usually create a file in the same format as the one you are currently working on.
    • You "Export", if you want to create new documents to be used by other applications, usually in a different format for special purposes, and the application will not necessarily use and manage the document any longer.
    • You "Share", if you want to create a document to be used by other clients (Photo stream, Mail, Flickr, Faacebook,...) and changes need to be synced in some way. That is only possible for application specific built-in ways to share..

    Since Aperture is at the heart a database that is managing its own documents internally, edited images do not necessarily exist as image files and there simply is no "Save" command. All edits are applied immediately and automatically, like for any other database. Exporting is a way to force Aperture  to render an image file that can be accessed outside Aperture and used by other applications. But this will be really an export from Aperture, not a "Save". Aperture will give up any connection to exported image files and will not keep track of it. You can freely move and edit them. Any changes you do to that exported image will not be reflected in Aperture.

     

    If you want to edit Aperture images in other programs, like Photoshop, you can tell Aperture to set up an external editor. Then Aperture will send an image file to the external program, and after editing you save the image in the external program. This way Aperture will see the changes.

     

    Regards

    Léonie

  • 13. Re: aperture updates
    DocOrly Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Danke Leonie, got it!

    I am kind of dissapointed  

    I was hoping that Aperture would be my photo file manager + photo editor.

    and not:

     

    "managing its own documents internally"   "Any changes you do to that exported image will not be reflected in Aperture."

     

     

    I wanted to give up my Picasa (which i use as a photo file mamanger) and photoshop to one place. 

    I guess i can if i wanted to change my whole filing system.

     

    Tchus, Orly

  • 14. Re: aperture updates
    chromatin64 Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)

    It can be your photo manager and photo editor though, DocOrly. You just have to think about it a bit differently, especially when it comes to parametric image editing (PIE) where Aperture stores instructions on how to edit your image rather than editing the image itself.

     

    Using Aperture means you keep your original files untouched and produce edited final master versions (using PIE) and from those, derivative versions (also using PIE). And then you can revisit any original or version at any time and re-edit, all the while preserving your original out-of-camera image untouched. And you can then export your derivative images according to your needs.

     

    And if you absolutely want (although there is no definite need), you can export those derivative images to whichever folder you like and then re-import your these into a separate project within Aperture. That way, you can keep track of your "saved" edits and they'll be portable en masse.

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