ButchM, you already said all that a month ago. I didn't mean to light you up again here.
Yeah ... it's been another month with no word. So it was worth repeating.
It has been 1,187 days since Aperture 3 was released. While I do appreciate everything Apple has done in support Aperture 3.x ... It's more than past the time for something much more meaningful.
Aperture 3 is a "pro" app. I'm a career pro photographer ... I can't wait around or hire a psycic in order to make plans for the future. In this economy there is little margin for error. Apple needs to step up their game.
Currently Being ModeratedMay 11, 2013 3:26 PM (in response to SiliconTlaco)
Just discovered one way in which LR5 beta has caught up to Aperture 3.x. Now you can print a 4 x 6 borderless print from LR5. Earthshattering news, because in LR4 that is simply impossible, hard as that may be to believe. The user interface still *****, but because I want to use some LR tools like lens corrections, noise reduction, and the ability to adjust parts of the histogram with my Wacom pen, I have forced myself to learn the wacko organization that Adobe has forced on LR users.
I still think Aperture does a great job of handling my database consisting of tens of thousands of raw files, and I also like the fact that managed files are part of my Aperture library unless I decide to make them referenced. Those are things that LR doesn't do at all or doesn't do well. I'd be delighted to see a new Aperture 4.
Currently Being ModeratedMay 11, 2013 4:16 PM (in response to SASanderson)
Just discovered one way in which LR5 beta has caught up to Aperture 3.x. Now you can print a 4 x 6 borderless print from LR5. Earthshattering news, because in LR4 that is simply impossible, hard as that may be to believe.
I have been using Lr since the very first public beta ... I have been able to print borderless prints on three different printers (Epson) in sizes of 4x6 to 13x19 with each and every iteration of Lightroom from the very beginning.
To my knowledge and in my experience, in Lr, borderless printing is a function of your printer driver. Not a function of the the Print module. As I beleive is the case for Aperture 3. I'm not trying to say that you experience is not valid or true. Only that it is not universal.
Glad you didn't have this problem, but I did, using an Epson R3000 and LR 4.3 on a MacPro. When I googled the issue a lot of other people had the problem as well. With LR5 I just did everything I had done in LR4, select 4 x 6, reduce margins to zero, set cell size to 4 x 6 and it worked. In LR 4 I could set everything this way, but the prints would come out, not only with margins, but with non-symmetrical margins. In Aperture it is a piece of cake to get a borderless 4 x6. Which is the way it should be.
Currently Being ModeratedMay 12, 2013 7:31 AM (in response to Don Trammell)
I think it is worthwhile to experiment with the LR5 beta. I haven't had a lot of new files to work on lately, but have generally been using Aperture AND LR4 with import presets, and then selecting particular photos to process further with one or the other. Aperture still wins on user interface, managing the files, as a database and for printing without going through Photoshop first. LR4 has some tools I use a lot.I will probably continue using both Aperture and LR5 when it is released.
I have had no problems with the LR5 beta in terms of stability. The upright tool, an improvement on lens corrections, that gives you an automatic adjustment is amazing. I also like the spot remover's new ability to visualize spots, and the printing, as I said in my last post also shows some improvement. If I had a big project of several thousand files to work on, I would use the beta instead of LR4. And then keep my fingers crossed for a new and improved Aperture.
Currently Being ModeratedMay 12, 2013 8:46 AM (in response to SASanderson)
I will head over to Adobe and download a copy. I have heard from a few friends that the new Beta 5 is quite impressive and the new tools are great. Here's to hoping that LR never goes CC like the rest of the tools... Also, here's to Apple releasing a competent upgrade to the greatly lagging Aperture 3.x...
Currently Being ModeratedMay 12, 2013 8:53 AM (in response to SiliconTlaco)
For the Gruber-uninitiated (apropos to any discussion about Aperture rumors or any other Apple rumors): Claim Chowder - "There’s a term called Claim Chowder that was, as far as I can tell, coined by Daring Fireball’s John Gruber. It refers to when someone makes a prediction with an aura of certainty and knowledge that turns out to be horribly wrong." -Noah Harlan
Mmm yummy stuff
The good thing about living in the present is that no predictions are needed to realize that Aperture is clearly behind Lightroom in terms of badly requested features. I guess when ones inability to perform as a photographer is made apparent, the next best thing to do is to delve into the Internet and find arcane bits of information that prove less of a point and doesn't back up a losing debate position... Will Apple release a new and greatly improved Aperture? Who knows. Has Adobe introduced new and requested features into a superb app with a dodgy UI. Yes... No debate here, and the facts prove themselves... It has been said, "you are entitled to your own opinion, but you are not entitled to your own facts" - Daniel Patrick Moynihan Seems that Google is everyone's best friend...
Currently Being ModeratedMay 12, 2013 11:10 AM (in response to SASanderson)
Well, if they do decide to make it a cloud only product, I guess there is always Aperture to fall back on... How did/do you manage using two apps at the same time? When I switched to LR, I simply stopped cold turkey, all processing in Aperture and started processing in LR. I moved the Aperture library off of my rMBP and on to a 2 TB Thunderbolt external drive, and then use the LR catalog internally to my rMBP... Not the prettiest solution but it works quite well. I use an app: File Synchronization (http://nemesys.dyndns.org) to keep my photos synced on the backup drive... For the most part this is quite painless and worth the extra effort to get the better set of tools that LR has to offer. Will Apple up their game? I hope so...
Currently Being ModeratedMay 12, 2013 11:38 AM (in response to Don Trammell)
I bring images into Aperture first (with copyright, a few keywords), with presets for AutoEnhance, Enhance (Contrast, Definition, Vibrancy), Sharpen, Edge Sharpen. I also have a slight color adjustment for images from my 1D Mark IV to bring yellows a little to the red side). (With images from 7D, my preset does not include the color adjustment). Any images that are obvious rejects, I delete. Then I back-up the newly imported raws to multiple external drives (alas, not Thunderbolt because I have a June 2012 MacPro that didn't include Thunderbolt). Aperture libraries live on an internal drive, backup copies plus multiple vaults on external drives. Then I fine tune the adjustments by playing with anything that needs to be fixed, mostly NR, exposure (esp. black point), shadows, maybe tweak Enhance settings, and maybe add Vignette.
Moving to LR, I import the new images from one external drive that has the raw files I just exported from Aperture. I don't have room to keep all the images on internal drives, so using LR always means I have one external drive powered on. I apply a preset with Presence (Clarity and Vibrance only), sharpening, and a small amount of post-crop vignette. I experiment with AutoTone, but usually do not use, Punch for added Clarity and Vibrance, and may do a IDIV color shift just as in Aperture. From there I may adjust the histogram segments or use sliders for highlights, shadows, blacks, whites, etc., adjust contrast, add NR if needed, lens corrections, check to see if camera calibration is better using something other than Adobe Standard. Fine tune sharpening. FWIW, keywords are imported with the files as they were exported from Aperture.
I wil check out your file sync application, it sounds useful.
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