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DocOrly Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

How Referenced Vs. Managed work with Photoshop editing

 

1) My photos are saved on a local hard drive

2) IF, When editing with Photoshop i like to save over the original since i never like the original to begin with.

3) Any I make other light changes like filters I do not save over the original.

 

Where do the Photoshop edit versions go.  i tried playing with just one Folder. Imported one folder as managed and one as referenced..... and can't find the edited version? Am I saving it wrong? I tried TIFF I tried Jpeg…..

 

Also when i imported the folder as a managed file i still saw the original folder under "pictures" does that mean it's on my hard drive twice, once in Pictures and once in the Aperture Library? That would take up too much space.

 

Thanks in advance, Orly


iMac, OS X Mountain Lion (10.8.3)
  • 1. Re: Referenced Vs. Managed work with Photoshop editing
    William Lloyd Level 6 Level 6 (19,350 points)

    It shouldn't really matter, because Aperture will send the photos to Photoshop and when you save from Photoshop it should be reflected back in Aperture.

     

    Note, if you use referenced and open the RAW files in Photoshop (via Adobe Camera Raw), Aperture won't see any of the edits you make; that's not how the integration works.

  • 2. Re: Referenced Vs. Managed work with Photoshop editing
    DocOrly Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    What i have found that when in managed then any changes i make in PS, then "Replace" Photo in the Aperture Folder will then show up, if i do not "Replace" and give it another name, it does not show up in my project.

     

    If i work in Refrenced, nothing shows up like it goes up Poof to thin air.

  • 3. Re: Referenced Vs. Managed work with Photoshop editing
    Terence Devlin Level 10 Level 10 (123,775 points)

    Aperture is designed as a lossless processor, even when working with lossy editors like Photoshop. If you want to overwrite the original then you don't want to use Aperture, it's designed to do exactly what you you don't want.

  • 4. Re: Referenced Vs. Managed work with Photoshop editing
    DocOrly Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Thank you for your reply.

     

    Can anyone PLEASE tell me:

     

    When editing with Photoshop where do the edited versions go? it's not showing up back in my project I have tried doing it with Refrenced pics as well as Managed pics.

     

     

    Where do the Photoshop edit versions go.  i tried playing with just one Folder. Imported one folder as managed and one as referenced..... and can't find the edited version? Am I saving it wrong?

     

    Also when i imported the folder as a managed file i still saw the original folder under "pictures" does that mean it's on my hard drive twice, once in Pictures and once in the Aperture Library? That would take up too much space.

  • 5. Re: Referenced Vs. Managed work with Photoshop editing
    William Lloyd Level 6 Level 6 (19,350 points)

    When you select "Edit in Photoshop" then Aperture will create a copy that is right next to the original RAW file.  It will then open Photoshop with this photo selected.

     

    When you're done with the Photoshop edits, you should hit Save in Photoshop.  Do NOT do "save as..." or Aperture can't track the file.

     

    No need to worry about where in the file system this file is (which will be a .PSD or .TIFF file depending on your Aperture settings).

  • 6. Re: Referenced Vs. Managed work with Photoshop editing
    DocOrly Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    YEY thanks!!!!!!!! I will try this!

     

    Also for the second part of my question

     

     

    Also when i imported the folder as a managed file i still saw the original folder under "pictures" does that mean it's on my hard drive twice, once in Pictures and once in the Aperture Library? That would take up too much space.

  • 7. Re: Referenced Vs. Managed work with Photoshop editing
    DocOrly Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    It didn't work

  • 8. Re: Referenced Vs. Managed work with Photoshop editing
    CorkyO2 Level 4 Level 4 (1,290 points)

    Also for the second part of my question

     

     

    Also when i imported the folder as a managed file i still saw the original folder under "pictures" does that mean it's on my hard drive twice, once in Pictures and once in the Aperture Library? That would take up too much space.

    Yes. When you import as a managed file, Aperture copies the original file into the library package. This leaves you with two original files (one in the library and one in the folder).

     

    The idea of managed is to have your original images copied into and kept in the Aperture library package. You can then backup your originals outside the library package and then delete those from your hard drive.

  • 9. Re: Referenced Vs. Managed work with Photoshop editing
    DocOrly Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Got it. Thanks!

     

    I just wish i could figure out the Photoshop part.....

    I want to continue using it while i am learning Aperture..... But the copies desapear POOF. It only reflects if I work in Managed and Save it as "Replace".

  • 10. Re: Referenced Vs. Managed work with Photoshop editing
    CorkyO2 Level 4 Level 4 (1,290 points)

    DocOrly wrote:

     

    Got it. Thanks!

     

    I just wish i could figure out the Photoshop part.....

    I want to continue using it while i am learning Aperture..... But the copies desapear POOF. It only reflects if I work in Managed and Save it as "Replace".

    The option to 'Replace' sounds like you are using Photoshop Elements?

     

    I run the full version of Photoshop (which doesn't have a 'Replace' command), so I don't know the full extent of the saving options of PS Elements. I do know there are a few preference options for importing and saving which can change the behavior so you might check with the PS Elements help system if that is what you are running.

     

    Also, you might check the thread linked below for some tips:

     

    https://discussions.apple.com/message/20310393#20310393

     

    Note - with the full version of Photoshop (I use CS6); the process is as William specified where one needs to use the 'Save' command to save the file directly back to Aperture to reflect the edits. There is also an Apple provided tip here:

     

    http://support.apple.com/kb/HT5128

     

    Hope this helps.

  • 11. Re: Referenced Vs. Managed work with Photoshop editing
    DocOrly Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    THANK YOU SOOOOO MUCH! I will check on those links out. If nothing else I now know that if i "Save As:.....jpeg" and yes to "Replace" it does reflect in my managed folder. Now the trick will be to also find a way to make it work in Refrenced files since kind of wanted to work with Refrenced.... but we shell see.

    The answer is yes I am jusing Elements. I had PS5..... from when i used to be a Photo Journalist in a local paper, then life took me else where. When i got a new iMac a few months ago I decided to try Elements. it's more basic but it works well enough for me.

    I used to use the combo of Photoshop 4 then 5 with Picasa as my orgenizer.

    I thought Elements would bring both together for me. when it didn't i tired Lightroom, when that didn't work for me..... everyone said get Aperture I like it better then Lightroom so far But

    NEW, NEW, NEW, NEW system for me. But i guess baby steps.

  • 12. Re: Referenced Vs. Managed work with Photoshop editing
    CorkyO2 Level 4 Level 4 (1,290 points)

    No problem.

     

    It sounds like you might have gotten Photoshop Elements from the Mac App Store instead of directly from Adobe's site (if the Organizer function is not included).

     

    Since you want to stay with JPEG files (and Aperture will insist on sending a TIFF or PSD file), you might consider contacting Adobe support to see if they will credit you and allow you to get the version with the Organizer which I know is a simplified version of Adobe Bridge geared toward consumers. It sounds like it would work for your purposes as I am pretty sure you can set the Organizer to be a browser like Bridge and work with the images directly to view, organize and open in PS Elements and then save back to same location as JPEG.

     

    Might be worth a shot if Aperture doesn't work out the way you want.

  • 13. Re: Referenced Vs. Managed work with Photoshop editing
    DocOrly Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Thanks, but i do have the Adobe version. i bought Elemets. Yes it does have the orgenizer but when i tried it the first time i set it up it did not work well as i thought it would, so i only stuck to the editing. The orgenizer did not seem user friendly at all,  it's not a bad idea to contact them though and see......

    I just used Picasa to orgenize and view.

    I actually don't mind if it saves is as PSD or Tiff BUT if i do it does not reflect back into Aperture? strange. the only version that reflects back is

    "Save As:.....jpeg" and yes to "Replace" it does reflect in my managed folder.

     

    I will be reading through the treads you recommended as well as contact Adobe and see.

     

     

    Thanks again, Orly

     

     


  • 14. Re: Referenced Vs. Managed work with Photoshop editing
    CorkyO2 Level 4 Level 4 (1,290 points)

    DocOrly wrote:

     

    Thanks, but i do have the Adobe version. i bought Elemets. Yes it does have the orgenizer but when i tried it the first time i set it up it did not work well as i thought it would, so i only stuck to the editing. The orgenizer did not seem user friendly at all....

    That doesn't surprise me at all. I've been using PS since version 4 and Adobe has not done very well with designing a nice file browser. They work on an industrial level, but not necessarily easy to work with in many cases.

     

    If PS Elements doesn't have a simple 'File > Save' command (which is what you really want with Aperture), then I think you just need to find the settings that perform the same function.

     

    It should be as simple as:

     

    1. In Aperture run the Edit with Photoshop Elements command

    2. Make edits in Photoshop Elements

    3. Save file in PS Elements and return to Aperture (and make Aperture window active) to see changes applied to TIFF or PSD version

     

    This should work in either the Managed or Referenced library. In the Managed library, the PS edited file will only be visible in Aperture without digging into the library package. In a Referenced library, the TIFF or PSD file should be located in the same folder as the original file in finder (as mentioned by William).

     

    Good luck!

     

    Message was edited by: CorkyO2 to clarify with "Save file in PS Elements and return to Aperture" text.

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