john hope1

Q: No color mask in motion 5?

Is it possible that there is no color mask in Motion 5?

It is present in FCPX.

I purchased Motion 5 just to create FCPX plugins. And

Mac mini (Late 2012), Mac OS 8.6 or Earlier

Posted on May 17, 2013 4:09 AM

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  • by BenB,

    BenB BenB May 17, 2013 5:27 AM in response to john hope1
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    May 17, 2013 5:27 AM in response to john hope1

    The same keyer is in both.

     

    Library > Filters > Keying > Keyer

     

    You'll duplicate the layer and apply the Keyer to the top layer.

     

    But, as for creating templates for FCPX, that effect is not one you'd use for a template.  What exactly are you trying to create?

  • by john hope1,

    john hope1 john hope1 May 17, 2013 3:16 PM in response to BenB
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    May 17, 2013 3:16 PM in response to BenB

    I tried the keyer but is almost unusable because the color selector has a so bad user interface that it is almost impossible to set it manually.

    For a template i need a color changer. So as in FCP 7 i need to choose a hue, a saturation range, a luminance range and apply the effects there.

    I want to make looks, but without this feature it's impossible.

    Motion 5 ha 15 years old plugins.... I'm disappointed, i wasted 50 bucks for something i will never use.

  • by BenB,

    BenB BenB May 17, 2013 3:23 PM in response to john hope1
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    May 17, 2013 3:23 PM in response to john hope1

    In the Keyer, you can go into the advanced controls and fine tune color selection more easily than any other Keyer I've worked with.  They are not 15 year old plugins.  They are very capable if you learn to use them correctly.  I suggest the Ripple Training videos to properly learn now to use Motion.  It can be a very powerful app.

     

    I strongly suggest you start with the user manual, then do some proper training. 

    http://help.apple.com/motion/mac/5.0.5/#motn14b99d02

     

    I do what I sort of think you're trying to daily without a second thought in Motion.  Just take a deep breath, and take the time to learn it properly.

     

    If you tell us what exactly the effect is you're trying to build, we can give you some guidance.  This may or may not be the best strategy to achieve it.

  • by john hope1,

    john hope1 john hope1 May 17, 2013 3:34 PM in response to BenB
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    May 17, 2013 3:34 PM in response to BenB

    I don't see any advanced mode for the color wheel. It's too small and the parameters disappera outside the box. It seems a bug.

    I could use the keyer for my plugin, but as you said, it's not the ideal tool. I just need a selective color changer and it's not there.

    I didn't say that those filter are bad, but they are dated. FCPX has the selective CC (color mask) and motion no. I used Color and Motion 4. Most parameters and filters come from Color, which is dated.

    So it wasn't a critique but a statement.

  • by BenB,

    BenB BenB May 17, 2013 6:09 PM in response to john hope1
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    May 17, 2013 6:09 PM in response to john hope1

    Nothing from FCP X is from anything else, except the audio effects.  Everything else has been coded from scratch.

     

    Did you look at the link to the user manual I posted?  I use the keyer all the time and it is in FACT one of the best on the market.

     

    What exactly are you trying to do?  Create an HSL masking tool?  That already exists in the FCP X color correction tools, so why duplicate?  What are you trying to do differently?

     

    Again, take some time to get some proper education about the tools you're using.

  • by john hope1,

    john hope1 john hope1 Jul 5, 2013 9:35 AM in response to BenB
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    Jul 5, 2013 9:35 AM in response to BenB

    The motion color keyer is just a chroma key.

    I'm not talking about blue screen but about COLOR MASKS, SECONDARY COLOR CORRECTION.

    And i'm totally disappointed. Professionals have been totally dropped from Apple.

    Bye bye

  • by glavan,

    glavan glavan Aug 31, 2016 4:25 PM in response to BenB
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    Aug 31, 2016 4:25 PM in response to BenB

    How can you do a color mask in Motion? Like john hope1 said, there is no such an option in Motion, there is one in FCPX, but not in Motion. What I'm trying to do is to change the color of an object (car). I would like to be able to sample the car's color hue and based on that selection to change the color(white to green or red, or magenta or whatever). Is it possible? If yes, I would really appreciate if you post a link to an article. I've watched every single youtube video for mask and color correction in Motion, and couldn't find anything helpful, not even on lynda.com.

    Thank you.

  • by BenB,

    BenB BenB Aug 31, 2016 6:16 PM in response to glavan
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    Aug 31, 2016 6:16 PM in response to glavan

    Keyer does it, I explained, but if you refuse to learn, not much else I can do to help you.  I use it and do these things weekly.

  • by Karsten Schlüter,

    Karsten Schlüter Karsten Schlüter Sep 1, 2016 12:05 AM in response to glavan
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    Sep 1, 2016 12:05 AM in response to glavan

    glavan wrote:

    How can you do a color mask in Motion? Like john hope1 said, there is no such an option in Motion, there is one in FCPX, ...

    You're correct - there is no Color-Mask option, 'one-click-selection' as in the Inspector/Color Correction in FCPX.

     

    But Ben et al are also correct - you use Motions Keyer to select a color - you are used to use a Keyer just for green-screen, I assume. In Motion you use it for your tasks too...

  • by glavan,

    glavan glavan Sep 1, 2016 1:23 AM in response to Karsten Schlüter
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    Sep 1, 2016 1:23 AM in response to Karsten Schlüter

    Do you have a tutorial that I can follow, specifically for changing the color of an object in Motion using Keying? I'm not saying is not possible, I just don't know how. What I'm trying to do is to add a mask to the keyer, so it can affect the color changes just within the mask, but I can't seem to find a way of doing so.

    I've tried to do something, but the results are worthless.

    What I'm doing right now is :

     

    1. I import the footage with the car that I want to change the color (car's color is white)

    2. as a replacement, I created a rectangle and changed the color(whatever color)

    3. I'm going to Library and apply the Keying to the footage

    4. I sample the color and I'm getting the results(garbage)(no matter what tweaks I'm doing in the Inspector). It affects the hues for the whole footage, and that's why I was looking to mask it. Like setting the boundaries of the keyer.

     

    Something like this I'm looking to achieve :

     

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9L226SGxL8

     

    Thank you.

  • by Karsten Schlüter,

    Karsten Schlüter Karsten Schlüter Sep 1, 2016 1:44 AM in response to glavan
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    Sep 1, 2016 1:44 AM in response to glavan

    glavan wrote:

    ... What I'm trying to do is to add a mask to the keyer, so it can affect the color changes just within the mask, but I can't seem to find a way of doing so....

    1. I import the footage with the car that I want to change the color (car's color is white)..

    Trouble is: 'White' is no color

     

    And keying is by its full name color-keying = a selected color gets masked/replaced by an alpha chanel, so you can 'look thru' what's underneath, on the other lane/track....

     

    There is a luma-keyer in Motion5, which makes white (or black) 'transparent', but it's tricky to set it up, look:

     

    Bildschirmfoto 2016-09-01 um 10.41.15.png

     

    you see, the walls of the building in the bg are a bit blueish-dirty, so I can adjust the keyer, but the sky is white too ...

     

    (not my Lambo, to mention that )

  • by fox_m,

    fox_m fox_m Sep 2, 2016 12:00 AM in response to glavan
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    Sep 2, 2016 12:00 AM in response to glavan

    If you can pull a decent chroma key, use the keyed source as a mask to a color solid generator.

     

    1) Clone (K) the original source

    2) Add Keyer to clone (turn off original so you can see the key.)

         Use the Refine Key: Sample Color shape to sample the color you want keyed.

         (Use Fill Holes to "clean up" the mask if you see more than what you need being keyed)

    3) Add a Color Solid generator

    4) To the Color Solid, Add Image Mask and drag/drop the Clone layer to the Image Mask

    5) Check the Invert Mask option.

    6) adjust the Color Solid color, opacity and possibly the blend mode to suit.

    7) turn the original video clip layer back on.

     

    Original:

    Screen Shot 2016-09-02 at 1.48.54 AM.png

     

    Recolored:

     

    Screen Shot 2016-09-02 at 1.49.02 AM.png

     

    [Lamborghini 3D model part of the basic mObject model set]

    keyColorChangeeffect.gif

     

    For the color solid, I set the color to R:0.67, G:0, B: 0.89 and set the Properties > Blending > Opacity to 50%.

  • by glavan,

    glavan glavan Sep 2, 2016 3:28 PM in response to fox_m
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    Sep 2, 2016 3:28 PM in response to fox_m

    Thx Fox_m, I'll try this when I get a chance. That's the effet I was looking for. Hop will work to apply it to a real life video  

    Much appreciate it. Thx a bunch            

  • by glavan,

    glavan glavan Sep 2, 2016 3:37 PM in response to Karsten Schlüter
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    Sep 2, 2016 3:37 PM in response to Karsten Schlüter

    Thank you Karsten. I'll use your tip as well. That's what I've been kinda' doing, i got it to work on a static image(picture) but for a video it just doesn't work or it's a mess. see how on the Lambo, the yellow got a bit on the windshield as well and the front wing most of it was missed by yellow?

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