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Rosetta Problems after Security Update 2012-001

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  • WZZZ Level 6 Level 6 (11,875 points)

    To create a new account, go to System Preferences>Accounts and click the + button. Doing so will bring up a new page overlaid on the first one. From there on it's pretty much clear what to do. Open the padlock if it's locked with your admin password.

     

    From the drop-down, give it Administrator privileges. Do not check File Vault.

     

    Note: if you recently ran that security update, the one that created the problems with PPC apps (the one that this thread is about) was removed and replaced with one named v1.1. So it is impossible that the problem you are experiencing is the result of that update, unless you didn't get it from Apple and the original one that Apple removed is still floating around somewhere else. You should never get updates from any other source but Apple, if possible.

     

    http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1489

     

     

     

     

     

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    To repair Permissions.

     

    Open Disk Utility in Utilities. When you open it, you will probably see two names (not counting the name of optical drive, the DVD drive. The first is the name of the actual physical drive. In my case it's a WD something. Below that and indented is the name of the volume or the startup disk that has been created in the physical drive. There can be more than one, but you will probably only find one named "Macintosh HD." In any case, whatever the name, this is what you actually work from when you start the Mac. Select the one below and then hit the Repair Disk Permissions button. Give it a few minutes.

     

     

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  • MlchaelLAX Level 4 Level 4 (1,550 points)

    LoyalUppercuts wrote:

     

    Sorry for the newbie reply; do you think you could explain this again? ...

    Some people on this forum, instead of doing some actual work, like real research, just like to shoot from the hip with their vast background and Mac knowledge:  Good for them, bad for you...

     

    Before you're done, they'll have you scrubbing residue off your motherboard!

     

    In the meantime, a little (and I do mean "a little") research indicates that Indiana Jones and the Emperor's Tomb was released in 2003 when Mac OS X 10.2.x was the current operating system.

     

    The Lucas Arts website only offers a patch for the Windows version of this title and makes no mention about this title working on a more modern version of OS X.

     

    If you can answer a few simple questions for me, I may be able to solve your problem BEFORE you are scrubbing your motherboard with a toothbrush and baking soda!?!

     

    •  What version of Mac OS X are you currently running?  Did you upgrade and if so, from what and do you have the original discs for that version of OS X?

     

    •  Which Mac are you running: Under the Apple menu, go to About This Mac, More Info, System Report, and under Hardware Overview, what is the Model Identifier of your Mac and how much RAM is installed?
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    •  Is there a "version number" anywhere on your game packaging?
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    That should be a GOOD start...
    Mac mini, Mac OS X (10.7.5), 2011 - 10.6.8 running in Parallels
  • LoyalUppercuts Calculating status...
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    May 14, 2013 1:14 PM (in response to MlchaelLAX)

    Currently running MAC OSX 10.6.8. I have upgraded using the security update that came after 2012 - 001, which i was suggested to use. I do have the discs.

     

    Model Identifier: iMac7,1

     

    Can't find a version number on my game packaging.

  • MlchaelLAX Level 4 Level 4 (1,550 points)

    What were your earlier OS' on that Mac and did you ever attempt to run Indiana Jones on that Mac with the earlier OS'?

     

    Have you tried to run this Indy/Emperor updater from the CNET site:

     

    http://download.cnet.com/Indiana-Jones-and-the-Emperor-s-Tomb/3001-2121_4-107834 16.html?spi=b3205f48c5c1f38720102a9e52451041

  • WZZZ Level 6 Level 6 (11,875 points)
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    May 14, 2013 3:53 PM (in response to MlchaelLAX)

    Look mate, the problem isn't only that particular app. If you had bothered to carefully read what has gone before, we have already explored whether it's just this app that won't launch and the OP has written that no PPC apps will open. I am by now completely impressed by your troubleshooting and research acumen, but we've been over enough of this to know that the problem lies somewhere other than that particular app.

     

    If you would stop interfering here with both your impressive skills (and thoroughly obnoxious and tit for tat attitude), we could get on famously without you.

     

    The next step is for the OP to create a clean, new account to see if this PPC problem will follow  there or not.  There may be a problematic preference or cache file in the current one.

     

    I also asked the OP to do a Safe Boot and then repair permissions from there, since those might be borked and causing the PPC applications not to launch properly. In addition, a Safe Boot will do an fsck check and repair, if necessary, as well as clear out some possibly problematic caches.

     

    So why don't you just please wander off in some other direction instead of trolling this thread where you are only a distraction and creating confusion.

  • MlchaelLAX Level 4 Level 4 (1,550 points)
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    May 14, 2013 6:50 PM (in response to WZZZ)

    Let us review THE FACTS:

     

    •  You have had one week

     

    •  You have already insulted the OP once already, before you came here to insult me today:

     

     


    WZZZ wrote:

     

    Do I really have to say that you should try? Why wouldn't it occur to you to do this?

     

     

    •  The gentleman told you he was a newbie.

     

    •  Most importantly, "[i]f you had bothered to carefully read what has gone before" you would have read and understood that he:

     

     

    "can't be sure about wether (sic) my mac was capable of running my app before the update you mentioned because I recently got it, and I haven't tried with any older versions yet."

     

    Given those facts I watched with interest as you had him virtually disassemble his Mac and rebuild it; a challenging exercise that will no doubt increase his knowledge of his Mac, but at the end of the day may NEVER allow him to run apps that he has never attepted to run on this Mac before.

     

    Now if he wants to continue down that road, that is his choice.  But last time I checked, I am just as entitled as you are to step in and to give him some advice that may lead him to a conclusion to his problem; which may well be that NONE of these apps will run on his Mac!

     

    So if you think that you can bully me off this thread so that I go run and hide, you are patently mistaken!

     

    Lastly, that's 'Mr. Mate' to you!

     

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    Mac mini, Mac OS X (10.7.5), 2011 - 10.6.8 running in Parallels
  • MlchaelLAX Level 4 Level 4 (1,550 points)

    ... and now back to our regular programming, which we join already in progress!

     

    According to MacTracker, you have either the 20" or 24" Core 2 Duo iMac that was released in August 2007 with Tiger installed. 

     

    It is certainly capable of running Snow Leopard, although you did not answer how much RAM was installed on your iMac.  Snow Leopard requires a minimum of 1GB of RAM and more is always helpful; your iMac can support 4 GB of Apple RAM and perhaps up to 6GB of third party RAM.

     

    I make two immediate suggestions:

     

    1.  Boot (Command-C on restart chime) your Mac OS X Snow Leopard Install DVD, and go to OPTIONS, check Rosetta and re-install Rosetta.  Be sure to use Software Update to install ALL updates and restart if necessary and run Software Update until it tells you that you are up to date.  Now try Indy Jones again and if it still does not work...

     

    2.  Go to this Apple link:

     

    http://support.apple.com/kb/DL617

     

    and download the English version of Appleworks 6.2.9.  If Appleworks runs properly, it would appear that your software is too old for Snow Leopard.  There are options:

     

    A.  You could look for patches that would allow this software to work in Snow Leopard, such as the CNET patch for Indy Jones and the Emperor, that I linked to you above; and/or

     

    B.  You could partition your hard drive and install Tiger (from your original OS disc you said you have) on the new partition, which would give you a "dual-boot" option to run Tiger and perhaps in Tiger these older applications will still function.

  • WZZZ Level 6 Level 6 (11,875 points)

    You must be confused  about how to proceed now with two sets of what appear to be conflicting suggestions. You are the unfortunate victim of what appears to be a personal vendetta directed at me on the part of MLAX, who seems more intent on pursuing that rather than letting me getting on with helping you.

     

    First, even though we have already checked that Software Update>Installed Software shows Rosetta as being installed, let's be even more certain than that. Simply open Terminal, which you will find in the Utilities folder inside the Applications folder (scroll down to find it),  and copy/paste the following into the Terminal window and then hit return. You will be prompted for your password, which won't appear anywhere when you type it in--this is normal--and you will be given a scary sounding warning about using the sudo command. Please just ignore that warning and hit return again. Let me reassure you that doing this will in no way cause any harm. After you do this, you will receive a message back in Terminal; copy that message and just close the Terminal window. Here is the command to enter.

     

    sudo sysctl kern.exec.archhandler.powerpc

     

    Only if after entering this command into Terminal you receive a message back that ends with the words "RosettaNonGrata," will you know that Rosetta has not been properly installed and you may proceed to reinstall it. If you receive a message back that does not end with those words, you may safely conclude that Rosetta has been properly installed and there will be no need to reinstall it.

     

    If Rosetta has been installed, your system is perfectly capable of running any PPC apps and there is no need to run them through Tiger/OS 10.4. In addition, the amount of RAM you have installed has no bearing on this whatsoever. It might only matter if you were running too many applications concurrently of any kind, and that would be manifested by everything slowing down, not applications refusing to launch.

     

    Please for now follow my suggestion to create a new account and test there to see if PPC apps open, as well as doing a Safe Boot and repairing Permissions.

  • MlchaelLAX Level 4 Level 4 (1,550 points)

    WOW: This has suddenly turned into a competition complete with an ad hominem attack on me!

     

    My strategy for you to follow is simple and straightforward and need not be complicated by anyone else's interpretation of what I propose:

     

    1.  In case Rosetta has become corrupted, reinstall it!  Simply checking for its presence will not tell you if it is not functional due to corruption.  Reinstalling Rosetta is a simple task (as detailed in my earlier post) and does not involve anything complicated, like using Terminal (which if used incorrectly can render your iMac unbootable!). 

     

    Once you know that a non-corrupted version of Rosetta has been installed, then run Software Update, just to be sure you have all the updates available for Snow Leopard, AFTER the reinstallation of Rosetta.

     

    If Indiana Jones and the Emperor's Tomb now runs properly, problem over!  If it does not:

     

    2.  Download a long cherished PowerPC program known as Appleworks (at the link I posted above), which is now available for a free download from Apple.  If it runs correctly, then you know that Rosetta is operating properly.

     

    If at that point your applications, such as Indiana Jones and the Emperor's Tomb runs; problem solved. 

     

    If it fails to run you now know that its failure is NOT a problem of Rosetta and is MOST LIKELY due to the fact that it was released in 2003, when OS X 10.2.x was the prevailing operating system. 

     

    There is no guarantee that a program written for OS X 10.2.x will run in Snow Leopard OS X 10.6.8, and many require a patch or update to do so.

     

    Others may find that too complicated to suggest to you; I find it too simple!

     

    GOOD LUCK!

  • WZZZ Level 6 Level 6 (11,875 points)
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    May 15, 2013 5:14 AM (in response to MlchaelLAX)

    I am not competing with you. I have no need to do that.

     

    The command I am asking the poster to enter in Terminal hasn't the slightest chance of preventing booting or causing any harm.

     

    Unless the AppleWorks application is  present to begin with, AppleWorks is not available as a download--at least not legally from Apple, where it might be trusted; the 6.2.9 is an update only, which can't possibly run or, likely, even install. Apple discontinued selling AppleWorks in 2007. Besides that, it has been demonstrated that no PPC apps will launch, so I don't understand what adding another one, even if that were possible, would add to what is already known.

     

    There is no need to run software update for this issue. PPC apps under Rosetta emulation should run even on the base system, 10.6.0, and any other updates of any kind that might appear in Software Update should have no bearing on this issue.

     

    Reinstalling Rosetta should not be necessary. If a PPC app is launched and Rosetta is not installed the user will be prompted to download and install it.

     

    Reinstalling Rosetta from disc might prove worthwhile as a possible troubleshooting step in the unlikely event it has become corrupted, which, by the way, I have never heard of, but only after Safe Booting and repairing Permissions and testing from another account. Those are the first most basic troubleshooting steps to take for this issue. Reinstalling it before those steps are taken is premature.

  • MlchaelLAX Level 4 Level 4 (1,550 points)
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    May 15, 2013 8:13 AM (in response to WZZZ)

    WZZZ wrote:

     

    I am not competing with you. I have no need to do that.

    I wan't talking to YOU!

     

    And I am not going to add to the continued "noise" that you insist upon making in this thread.

     

    The gentleman has his chioces; it is up to him now...

  • MlchaelLAX Level 4 Level 4 (1,550 points)

    LoyalUppercuts wrote:

     

    Currently running MAC OSX 10.6.8. I have upgraded using the security update that came after 2012 - 001, which i was suggested to use. I do have the discs.

     

    Model Identifier: iMac7,1

     

    Can't find a version number on my game packaging.

    OK: Here is the answer, pure and simple:

     

    Indiana Jones and the Emperor's Tomb was released in December, 2003 for OS X 10.2.x and presumably it would work in Panther 10.3.x and will also work in Tiger 10.4.x IF you download the Updater (from the CNET link I cited earlier) and use that Updater to install in Tiger.

     

    Here are some screenshots of it working in Tiger on my Mac Mini (I misplaced my original Tiger Restore disc, so I had to install Tiger Server instead):

     

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    Here is what happens when I attempt to run it in Snow Leopard:

     

     

    At first Indy's hat is bouncing in the DOCK:

     

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    THEN:

     

     

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    It is just TOO OLD to run in Snow Leopard at this time without a further update release!  All of Mr. MacKeeper ZZZ's preventive maintenance tips are just NOT going to work, sorry!

     

    But I am sure they were educational and instructive, too!

  • MlchaelLAX Level 4 Level 4 (1,550 points)
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    May 18, 2013 1:29 AM (in response to MlchaelLAX)

    MlchaelLAX wrote:

     

     

    B.  You could partition your hard drive and install Tiger (from your original OS disc you said you have) on the new partition, which would give you a "dual-boot" option to run Tiger and perhaps in Tiger these older applications will still function.

     

    This is EXACTLY how I was able to run Indiana Jones and the Emperor's Tomb on my Mac Mini as shown above!  Be sure to install it in Tiger with the Updater application that can be downloaded from CNET:

     

    http://download.cnet.com/Indiana-Jones-and-the-Emperor-s-Tomb/3001-2121_4-107834 16.html?spi=b3205f48c5c1f38720102a9e52451041

     

    WZZZ wrote:

     

    If you would stop interfering here with both your impressive skills (and thoroughly obnoxious and tit for tat attitude), we could get on famously without you...

     

    So why don't you just please wander off in some other direction instead of trolling this thread where you are only a distraction and creating confusion...

     

    If Rosetta has been installed, your system is perfectly capable of running any PPC apps and there is no need to run them through Tiger/OS 10.4...

     

    OOOOOOPS!

  • LoyalUppercuts Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    May 18, 2013 1:36 PM (in response to MlchaelLAX)

    Yes i have. And i have also run indy natively on my emac back in the day.

  • LoyalUppercuts Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    May 18, 2013 1:39 PM (in response to MlchaelLAX)

    Ok thanks for your help. I am getting given an imac just below the version i have from a friend, so ethically i should be able to install tiger and then run indiana jones?

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