Currently Being ModeratedMay 19, 2013 3:31 PM (in response to Harold Coates)
I agree completely with your first paragraph!
I also have iMovie 8 but found it completely incomprehensible and have never completed a project with it.
But by all means update your system: iMovie 6 is known to work with all versions of OS X including Mountain Lion.
Currently Being ModeratedMay 19, 2013 10:27 PM (in response to Harold Coates)
when iM08 came out, I was one of the loudest nay-sayers - the change in interface/usage was too radical, many features I need were lost.
meanwhile ..... :
• iMHD6 doesn't support my AVCHD cams
• iM11 offers all, a hobbyist needs - have a look! It is easy to use, blazing fast
• I made the leap to FCPX + Motion5 ......
imho, iM-a had two fundamental features, iM-b lacks:
• native DV editing - if you're still using SDef miniDV, v6 is uncompared
• iM11 doesn't support plugins - Apple misses a fortune, imagine 3rd party Theme-packs (sports, wedding, funeral, baby shower…), or background-packs, or map-packs, or .....
not using iM for real life projects for about 2y, not using iMHD6 for .... 4y? .....
.... as you, I'm wondering, why the old workhorses iM-a or iDVD are not offered 'as is'. unsupported, on your own risk .....? probably, a §§§-issue!
Currently Being ModeratedMay 20, 2013 2:38 AM (in response to Klaus1)
Karsten, not everyone wants to spend the extra money on FCPX or those AVCHD cameras!
I did Klaus, and haven't regretted it. But I'm a sucker for new technology!
However, I have to agree that iMovie HD 6 was (still is) an excellent program. Easy to work with, very stable and fairly bug free. The thing I miss the most is my Gee Three Slick plug-ins (of which I have all 10 volumes).
But I really enjoy working in iMovie '11 now (vastly superior to the original new interface of iMovie '08), and more recently with Final Cut Pro X. I mainly use iMovie HD 6 now for working with earlier miniDV footage and revisiting old projects.
JohnMacBook Pro (15-inch Late 2008), OS X Mountain Lion (10.8.3), Sony HDR-SR7 & DCR-TRV20E
Currently Being ModeratedMay 20, 2013 8:35 AM (in response to Harold Coates)
I failed to mention I also have FCX but like iM6 much better for my everyday use. I believe Apple made the change away from ver.6 because it competed too much with FC. It looks to me like ver.7 to 11 are a trimmed down version of FC. I guess it was all a marketing strategy. But a strategy that keeps me with OS10.6.8. The other reason I stay with Snow Leapard is because I still use AppleWorks heavily. I can't get away from the Data base and the ease of use of the WP and SS programs.
If I ever made the switch to something else it would be MS word and excell rather than iWork because of the widespread use of those apps. My databases would take too much time and trouble to rebuild in Bento or Filemaker. If there was a quick and easy way to convert I might consider but Apple simply dropped us by the wayside on that one.
iMovie6, AppleWorks and Snow Leapard do everything I need for the coming years.
Currently Being ModeratedJun 5, 2013 9:17 AM (in response to Harold Coates)
Karsten mentioned that iM6 would not support AVCHD camera and I found that out the hard way. I bought a CANON VIXIA HF S21 which was the flagship of their line at that time and as soon as I found out it would not work with iM6 I sent it back. I then continued to use my older HD cams and am doing quite well with them. It is a shame that Apple seems to have a propensity to drop older but very good products for newer less useful items.
I would like to keep up with the newest OS but am not willing to lose the ability to use my workable programs that took so long to learn and create projects that only run in the older stuff, ie: Data Base files, etc.
Currently Being ModeratedJun 6, 2013 12:53 AM (in response to Harold Coates)
If you still have iMovie '08 (or any later version up to iMovie '11), and you had an AVCHD camera, you could import the clips to an iMovie Event. On import, the clips will be converted to Apple Intermediate Codec (AIC).
Now in iMovie HD 6, you can import the AIC clips and they will be converted to the format you select for the project. As you would be aware, when starting a new project you can choose from the formats shown in the following screenshot:
The DV Widescreen format works very well. AIC clips are imported and converted to DV quite seamlessly and play smoothly. Also, a deinterlaced H.264 file imported perfectly (the deinterlacing was done in MPEG Streamclip). Both interlaced and progressive clips work fine. Of course, all imported material is converted on the fly to DV format (widescreen) - this occurs fairly quickly. Most clips I tested were high definition widescreen (some were 960 x 540). I haven't tested the other formats shown in the screenshot.
The only issue I had was with a clip that had a resolution of 1440 x 1080 (from my Sony HDR-SR7E). Normally (in iMovie '11 and Quicktime X) that clip plays back in widescreen 16:9 format (it uses rectangular pixels, not square - hence the apparent 4:3 dimensions). However, when imported to a DV Widescreen project in iMovie HD 6, that clip displays as 4:3. But, clips recorded as 1920 x 1080 should display correctly as widescreen. I think most of the modern AVCHD cameras record as Full HD 1920 x 1080, but mine is an older model that uses rectangular pixels (1440 x 1080) to produce widescreen images (? anamorphic).
So, it is possible to use AVCHD clips in iMovie HD 6, but not directly. The clips have to be imported by other means first, such as by using a later version of iMovie. Another way is to use a conversion program, such as VoltaicHD - available on the App Store or from the developer (Shedworx) here:
I tested VoltaicHD some years ago and the conversion process was quite lengthy. In the developer's FAQ section it's mentioned that the conversion time is about 12 times the duration of the clips! But that's an old entry - the current version may be much quicker. You can download a free demo version, which does include some test clips, but it limits the clip length to 10 seconds (unless that's also been changed).
You may already be aware of all this, but thought it was worth mentioning. Note that on Snow Leopard (10.6.8), iMovie '11 can't be updated beyond version 9.0.4 (the latest is 9.0.9).
PS I've been working on and off this post for half the afternoon (lots of interruptions), so hopefully I'm not repeating anything others may have posted in the interim!MacBook Pro (15-inch Late 2008), OS X Mountain Lion (10.8.4), Sony HDR-SR7 & DCR-TRV20E
Currently Being ModeratedJun 7, 2013 1:44 PM (in response to John Cogdell)
Thanks for responding John,
When I had the AVCHD Canon camera I did open v.8 to see if it would capture and it did. I did go ahead and do a few movies by converting to v.6 but found it to be too awkward and time consuming so I decided to send it back. My older tape Canon does very well for all my kids and political activities so for now I will stick with it rather than upgrading to an OS that limits me for the present.
The other option you mentioned.... 12x's the length... well I am a little impatient as most folks are so I can wait for now.
I really appreciate your interest and time you put into your message. Hopefully we can come up with a better answer to the problem we ver. 6 users have. I would like for Apple to pick it back up and charge for it. I would gladly pay for it and hope they would add AVCHD cameras to the mix.
One day my Wife and I would like to visit Australia. It has a certain lure for us in all the information we gather about the country.
Currently Being ModeratedJun 11, 2013 10:57 PM (in response to Harold Coates)
Hi Harold - I continue to use iMovie HD6 for nearly all of my videos, despite having 11, and FCPro, simply for its ease of use, and because I know it inside out! My Sony DSLR produces AVCHD footage but I have no problem converting it. It opens in the VLC app (free I think), and is easily and quickly converted in my iSkysoft Video Converter app.
Hey, and when you visit Australia, quickly cross the Tasman Sea (3 hour flight) and check out New Zealand - you sure won't regret it!
Currently Being ModeratedJun 14, 2013 1:17 PM (in response to Harold Coates)
Thanks for sharing Catspaw,
I will keep that in mind and am glad to hear more are continuing to use IM6 even though we have FC and IM8 and above. I would like to get a newer camera which is likely to be AVCHD and I may try another soon.
Yes, New Zealand is a definite if we do come that. We will be searching for the ring that Golum keeps losing.
Beautiful country on the big screen.
Currently Being ModeratedJun 22, 2013 11:40 AM (in response to Harold Coates)
It would be nice if Apple would bring back iMovie6 in the new OS Mavericks. While at it they could include Rosetta so we all could also continue to use AppleWorks.
Just my wish,
Currently Being ModeratedJun 23, 2013 7:55 AM (in response to Harold Coates)
Harold Coates wrote:
It would be nice if Apple would bring back ... Rosetta so we all could also continue to use AppleWorks.
Just my wish,
Your wish is my command!
Appleworks running in Snow Leopard Server installed into Parallels 8 for use in Lion, Mt. Lion and probably Mavericks:
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Currently Being ModeratedJun 23, 2013 9:19 AM (in response to Harold Coates)
iMovie 06 remains very popular.
I also have all versions of iMovie after iMovie 06. I rarely use them.
I like iMovie 11 to share simple videos on the Internet. But for DVD's many find iMovie 06 far superior. I also like the 'Final Cut' like Timeline of iMovie 06.
iMovie 06 and iDVD 09 / 11 is 100% "lossless" combination and my DVD's look like they came from Hollywood!
I use NO other software, with NO other steps or procedures. iMovie 06 has never crashed or done anything unexpected, and it works flawlessly with iDVD 09 / 11 and the newest Mac OS.
Because of my (initial) disappointment with iMovie 08, I tried movie editing programs that run on Windows as well as Final Cut Express on the Mac. In all of this I have learned that iMovie 06 is similar to the other editing programs I've tried. Whereas iMovie 08-11 seems completely different from everything else.