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Joshsoutham Calculating status...
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Mar 31, 2013 4:43 PM

Ok I must be missing something i'm trying to get ichat to work but no matter what i try i have no luck.

 

Im runing ichat 6.0.2 and want to log in with my @icloud.com account now i do not have an old @me or @mac only the new @icloud.

 

when i try to add an account there is no option for it and if i select ther other options it just asks for the passwords again and again.

 

Is there something im doing wrong?

MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.7.5)
  • Ralph Johns (UK) Level 9 Level 9 (66,840 points)
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    Apr 1, 2013 1:52 PM (in response to Joshsoutham)

    Hi,

     

    @mac.com, @me.com and @icloud.com are all AIM Valid Screen Names.

     

    In previous versions of iChat there  were options for MobileMe (@me.com name issued by MobileMe) and .Mac (@mac.com) names in addition to the AIM option.

     

    At about iChat 6 Apple change the Add Pane drop down to have just AIM for actual and valid names.

     

    As all the options accept username@servername.whaterver then it is possible the name or ID will be accepted to some extent in all of the options.

     

    At AIM you can register an email rather than creating an Username.  (As the Apple IDs above are also valid)

    GoogleTalk IDs are valid Jabber IDs based on your Google Mail ID.

    Jabber IDs look like email but rarely are  (Facebook, Google and Jabber Australia are the exceptions I know about).

     

    Other NOTES.

    The AIM servers have a limit of 16 characters to any password even when they have to confirm it with an outside body like Apple.

    Therefore your Apple ID password should be 16 characters or less.

     

    iChat 6 and Messages in Mountain Lion also log in to Apple to then allow AIM to "Read" the password.

    This means that Apple Issued IDs from iCloud cannot be used in iChat 5 or earlier as these versions do not make the second login to Apple  that the ID needs.

     

     

     

     

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    9:52 PM      Monday; April 1, 2013

     

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  • Ralph Johns (UK) Level 9 Level 9 (66,840 points)
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    Apr 2, 2013 1:38 PM (in response to Joshsoutham)

    Hi,

     

    This is the Add Pane In Messages

    Screen Shot 2013-04-02 at 21.13.15.png

     

    It only lists "AIM" for my ralphjohnsr AIM registered name and my @mac.com names and my @me.com and @icloud.com I ended up with after registering with iCloud early on.

     

    Although I no longer have a Lion/iChat 6 version I thought that version was the same.

     

    My iChat 5 version lists iChat as supporting MobileMe, @mac.com, AIM, Google and Jabber.

    The Drop down shows 3 choices above the line (AIM, MobileMe and Mac.com) and two below (Jabber and GoogleTalk).

    This version is the same at this point as iChat 3 and 4

     

    My Apple ID password is a mixture of Upper and lower case characters plus a digit.

    My AIM password has been random set of lowercase letters and 3 digits.

    As AIM allow  Apple email IDs the @ symbol is valid.

    I am not so sure about other characters.

     

     

     

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    9:38 PM      Tuesday; April 2, 2013

     

      iMac 2.5Ghz 5i 2011 (Mountain Lion 10.8.3)
     G4/1GhzDual MDD (Leopard 10.5.8)
     MacBookPro 2Gb (Snow Leopard 10.6.8)
     Mac OS X (10.6.8),
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  • Ralph Johns (UK) Level 9 Level 9 (66,840 points)
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    May 2, 2013 12:16 PM (in response to Joshsoutham)

    HI,

     

    I did say...

    This is the Add Pane In Messages

    Screen Shot 2013-04-02 at 21.13.15.png

     

    And went on to say the "AIM" account types are all-in-one in messages for all Apple IDs that are AIM valid Screen Names as well as AIM registered names.

     

    I was obviously wrong in my assumption that Lion and iChat 6 also had the same set up panel.

     

    You can also chose AIM in the version of iChat you have and enter the username@icloud.com in full - rather than using the @mac.com option or the MobileMe  that need specific endings to the names/Apple IDs.

     

    The Apple ID password must be 16 characters or Less as AIM needs to be able to "read" it and this is their server Limit.

     

     

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    8:16 PM      Thursday; May 2, 2013

     

      iMac 2.5Ghz 5i 2011 (Mountain Lion 10.8.3)
     G4/1GhzDual MDD (Leopard 10.5.8)
     MacBookPro 2Gb (Snow Leopard 10.6.8)
     Mac OS X (10.6.8),
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    "Limit the Logs to the Bits above Binary Images."  No, Seriously

  • nicoleford Calculating status...
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    May 20, 2013 2:30 PM (in response to Ralph Johns (UK))

    hi there.  i tried using AIM to add an icloud account for chat and it isn't working....  what can i do?

  • Ralph Johns (UK) Level 9 Level 9 (66,840 points)
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    May 21, 2013 11:22 AM (in response to nicoleford)

    HI,

     

    So you have an Apple ID that is linked to iCloud.

    This will have given you an @me.com or @icloud.com ID depending on when you Registered with iCloud.

     

    The Apple ID can in  fact also have a password that is longer then 16 characters.

     

    This leaves two potential issues depending on which iChat version you are trying to use it with.

     

    An iCloud issued @me.com or @icloud.com name will not work with iChat 5 or earlier versions.

    This is due to changes in iChat 6 and Messages in Mountain Lion that have a login to Apple at the same time as the Login to AIM that then allows AIM to "read" the password.

    It is an extra security measure that is not there in iChat 5 and earlier versions - but it only applies to Apple IDs registered through iCloud.

     

    No matter which version of iChat you are trying to use the AIM servers can only cope with passwords up to 16 characters.

     

    So if you are using iChat 2, 3, 4 or 5 and have an @icloud.com ID then you will have to register and AIM name itself to use with iChat.

    You may also need to shorten the password for your Apple ID if it is the password length that is the problem.

     

     

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    7:22 PM      Tuesday; May 21, 2013

     

      iMac 2.5Ghz 5i 2011 (Mountain Lion 10.8.3)
     G4/1GhzDual MDD (Leopard 10.5.8)
     MacBookPro 2Gb (Snow Leopard 10.6.8)
     Mac OS X (10.6.8),
     Couple of iPhones and an iPad

    "Limit the Logs to the Bits above Binary Images."  No, Seriously

  • peixesloucos Calculating status...
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    May 25, 2013 5:21 AM (in response to Joshsoutham)

    I am having exactly the same thing.

     

    I try to add an account with my icloud username, I enter the password of icloud.com It keeps asking while trying to connect.

     

    I try to register AIM account with my icloud username. It does not accept.

  • Ralph Johns (UK) Level 9 Level 9 (66,840 points)
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    May 25, 2013 11:15 AM (in response to peixesloucos)

    HI,

     

    I entered my @icloud.com ID under AIM in Messages and entered the Apple ID in full.

    The Password was already less than 16 characters.

     

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    7:15 PM      Saturday; May 25, 2013

     

      iMac 2.5Ghz 5i 2011 (Mountain Lion 10.8.3)
     G4/1GhzDual MDD (Leopard 10.5.8)
     MacBookPro 2Gb (Snow Leopard 10.6.8)
     Mac OS X (10.6.8),
     Couple of iPhones and an iPad

    "Limit the Logs to the Bits above Binary Images."  No, Seriously

  • peixesloucos Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    May 25, 2013 1:00 PM (in response to Ralph Johns (UK))

    Hello Ralph,

     

    My icloud ID is: ***@icloud.com and my apple id is ***@gmail.com *** part are the same for both ID's.

     

    On my iChat I have the following accounts:

     

    I am not sure if this is the way to do?

     

    If I try adding my ***@icloud.com ID, I get an "AOL Instant Messenger password" error constantly.

  • Ralph Johns (UK) Level 9 Level 9 (66,840 points)
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    May 25, 2013 1:48 PM (in response to peixesloucos)

    HI,

     

    Umm, very odd.

     

    Let me try to explain how I got my @me.com and @icloud.com email IDs and how they relate to both my iCloud and Apple ID and from there their use in Messages.

     

    I have an old dial-up account's email ID that is still active (via my current Broadband connection I can fetch mail but cannot send it unless I log in via Dial-up)

    This email is my Apple ID.

    when iCloud was launched I linked that to iCloud and received an @me.com address at the time.

    Both will let me access thre iCloud on the web browser Login and will work in the Mountain Lion iClould System Preferences pane.

    Later Apple issued me with an @icloud.com ID with the same username in front of the @ symbol.

    This gives me three "names" to access iCloud and two Apple Issued "names" that should and, for me, do work as AIM valid names.

     

    I use the original Apple ID as the iMessages login in Messages.

    I use the @icloud.com "name" with the AIM service.

    As  separate AIM name I use the @me.com from iCloud as well.

    Picture from Messages in Mountain Lion

    icloud as AIM names.png

    These two accounts, as they are in Messages, will not work in iChat 5 (Snow Leopard) or earlier versions of the OS and iChat.

     

    The overriding password for these three IDs is the same and is less than 16 characters.

     

    (As you can see I also have a separate GoogleTalk login and one with the Jabber.me server as well as Yahoo.)

     

    So...

    Your Google ID should work if you have enabled "Talk" on your Google Account settings (not the Mail Settings)

    As you also registered that Email as an AIM name it should work as an AIM name.  (you can't create an password over 16 characters that way)

    As the Gmail is also your Apple ID and linked to your iCloud account, the resulting @iCloud.com  is valid but will depend on the iChat version you are using.

     

     

     

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    9:48 PM      Saturday; May 25, 2013

     

      iMac 2.5Ghz 5i 2011 (Mountain Lion 10.8.3)
     G4/1GhzDual MDD (Leopard 10.5.8)
     MacBookPro 2Gb (Snow Leopard 10.6.8)
     Mac OS X (10.6.8),
     Couple of iPhones and an iPad

    "Limit the Logs to the Bits above Binary Images."  No, Seriously

  • peixesloucos Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    May 25, 2013 2:10 PM (in response to Ralph Johns (UK))

    Thanks for all the explanations.

     

    I have short password and am on iChat 6.0.2 (OS X 10.7.5).

     

    I am just missing an account for ichat like the one you have above bonjour.

     

    I guess this is due to the fact that I am on iChat and not on Messages, right?

  • Ralph Johns (UK) Level 9 Level 9 (66,840 points)
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    May 25, 2013 2:35 PM (in response to peixesloucos)

    Hi,

     

    Yes in my Pic the one above Bonjour is the iMessages one that is only present in Messages.

    This is Apple's own Messaging service that works with iOS devices and has been added into iChat in Mountain Lion causing the Name change for the App.

     

    The icons for each type of account are slightly larger and a little different from earlier versions

    AIM Accounts tended to get the running yellow man.

    All Jabber Accounts including Google got the Lightbulb icon.

    Bonjour has always had the three pointed star like icon since the Accounts were in a list form from iChat 3

    iChat 3 Pic

     

    I did not buy a computer that would run Lion and Mountain Lion until quite late and did not stay with Lion for very long.

    I made the mistake of not cloning the Lion boot that came with this iMac to still be able to look at things.

    So I am without iChat 6  and a chance to see the Accounts pane in the preferences.

     

    However the  process for adding accounts that have Buddy Lists (as in iChat) is the same in Messages.

    You access the Preferences> Accounts and use the + icon at the bottom of the list.

    The top item in the new pane is a drop down.

    It gives you the AIM and AIM Valid options that were current at the time (MobileMe and historical @mac.com names).

     

    Below the line are the Jabber options including Googletalk (this makes sure the right server name is used).

     

    iChat 6 and it's updates through the life of Lion and it's updates should work for the @icloud.com name.

    Can you confirm for me that the @icloud.com account is trying to login to the api.oscar.aol.com server ?

    Or it is using the older login.oscar.aol.com  one ?  (this one might have a leading "s" if using SSL to login)

     

    If using the api server it should be using port 443

    The older one that was used at least until iChat 5  can be logged in to port 5190 by default although port 443 works as well.

     

    If it is the older server try changing the port to 443.

     

    It is late where I am and it may be a while before I catch up with your next reply.

     

     

     

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    10:35 PM      Saturday; May 25, 2013

     

      iMac 2.5Ghz 5i 2011 (Mountain Lion 10.8.3)
     G4/1GhzDual MDD (Leopard 10.5.8)
     MacBookPro 2Gb (Snow Leopard 10.6.8)
     Mac OS X (10.6.8),
     Couple of iPhones and an iPad

    "Limit the Logs to the Bits above Binary Images."  No, Seriously

  • peixesloucos Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    May 26, 2013 4:03 AM (in response to Ralph Johns (UK))

    Hello,

     

    Since I do not have an iPhone it is normal that I do not have that account of imessages.

     

    For my AIM account I have the api.oscar.aol.com / Port 443 (Use SSL) is selected.

     

    Things are ok with my Google Talk and Facebook chats.

     

    However I would like to try chatting and if possible video calling with my friends who have iPhone (ios5 &6) or Mac.

     

    I drag and drop my contact from the addressbook but they keep staying offline. If I try sending a text message it says it is not delivered.

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