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azartguy Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

I'm running into some grinding slow-downs using iPhoto.

 

I usually capture 35-50 RAW + JPEG shots at a time. In my old workflow  I'd import to a desktop file, use Finder to quickly scan, label and discard what I didn't want then save to my "Pictures" folder. Keeping track of 'em after processing (in PS4)  was a real pain with the old workflow, but the import/review process was very fast.  Now I'm importing directly into iPhoto and what used to take a few seconds is now taking minutes and seems so processor intensive that multitasking slows almost to a stop.

 

It looks like a better workflow would be a combination of old SD card > desktop folder > review in Finder > iPhoto, but I have to think I'm doing something wrong and iPhoto should handle this better, or at least as well as Finder?
Brian


iPad 2, OS X Mountain Lion (10.8.2)
  • 1. Re: iPhoto vs. Finder
    LarryHN Level 9 Level 9 (56,675 points)

    1 - as a start there is no reason to shoot RAW plus JPEG since you are importing two copies of everything and when you import a RAW you automatically get a JPEG

     

    2 - I would get the photos off the SD card and reformat it using your camer's format command

     

    How are you importing? Card reader? USB cable to the camera?

     

    LN

  • 2. Re: iPhoto vs. Finder
    azartguy Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Larry,

    I use the RAW files as the backup (the negative as it were) and edit the out-of-camera JPEGs because I want the proprietary Olympus rendering.

     

    Does iPhoto strip the camera JPEG metadata?  In that case you would be correct about just shooting RAW (that has no settings). But at that point it wouldn't matter because I would then not use iPhoto if it means losing the unique Olympus look I spent a lot of money to get.

    Brian

  • 3. Re: iPhoto vs. Finder
    azartguy Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Larry, my earlier message should be modified to read "Does iPhoto strip the camera JPEG EXIF metadata..."

    Brian

  • 4. Re: iPhoto vs. Finder
    LarryHN Level 9 Level 9 (56,675 points)

    No - iPhoto does not strip anything

     

    and if you shoot RAW and import into iPhoto the RAW is saved (iPhoto always saves the original photo - the digital negative - ann you can access it at any time)

     

    LN

  • 5. Re: iPhoto vs. Finder
    Terence Devlin Level 10 Level 10 (123,800 points)

    I use the RAW files as the backup (the negative as it were) and edit the out-of-camera JPEGs because I want the proprietary Olympus rendering.

     

    If you want th Olympus rendering then shooting Raw makes no sense as a back up. It - by definition - doesn't have the Olympus rendering.

     

    Regards

     

     

    TD

  • 6. Re: iPhoto vs. Finder
    azartguy Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Larry, I don't want to be argumentative, but how do we know that "iPhoto does not strip anything"?  Apple doesn't say that, Apple doesn't let you see the full EXIF data.

     

    I just opened a JPEG in Olympus Viewer 3 and the EXIF data is there, but in iPhoto, nothing but the  basic exposure settings. So does iPhoto use that to export a JPEG or TIFF for editing?

    Brian

  • 7. Re: iPhoto vs. Finder
    Terence Devlin Level 10 Level 10 (123,800 points)

    iPhoto does not support all the possible Exif fields. Doesn't remove them, just doesn’t show them.

     

    iPhoto doesn't 'export to jpeg or tiff ' to edit. When you process a photo in iPhoto it records your decisions in the database and applies them to your shot as you view it. They are only set when you export from iPhoto.

     

    If you want to test what metadata is preserved on export, take a shpt, edit it and then export it as a jpeg or tiff (file -> Export) and then view it on your Viewer app.

     

    Note: This User Tip

     

     

    https://discussions.apple.com/docs/DOC-4921

     

     

    has details of the options in the Export dialogue.

  • 8. Re: iPhoto vs. Finder
    azartguy Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    TD, well that's a good point.

     

    However, I can take the RAW (ORF) file into the Olympus Viewer software and apply every in-camera setting seen in the JPEGs and export that as an edited JPEG. It's an extra step, but if I really want every bit of exposure dynamic range and detail in the RAW image, plus the settings used in JPEG rendering as seen by the Olympus software, it can be done.

     

    But that workflow is pointless if those settings don't get written into the metadata and used by iPhoto for future editing or to post to Flickr. In that case the original workflow makes more sense. I'd much rather use iPhoto (Aperture?) and save the time and trouble, for easier cateloging and search and save disc space, but not if I'm not getting the images I want the way I want them,

    Brian

  • 9. Re: iPhoto vs. Finder
    Terence Devlin Level 10 Level 10 (123,800 points)

    I can take the RAW (ORF) file into the Olympus Viewer software and apply every in-camera setting seen in the JPEGs and export that as an edited JPEG.

     

    That's not the same thing though, is it? That's you using the Oly tools which is not the same as the camera applying them automatically...

     

    Try the test above and see what gets written to the metadata.

  • 10. Re: iPhoto vs. Finder
    azartguy Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    TD, took your advice and here are the "accessible" EXIF data (if you can read it)  but in summary there is very little difference between the iPhoto and Viewer EXIF except for image size and "transformation color matrix" whatever that is. I conclude that the iPhoto JPEGs are close enough to the Olympus output that it isn't an issue. But my original question, why iPhoto is so much slower than Finder is still a puzzle. Thanks for the input on this,
    Brian

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  • 11. Re: iPhoto vs. Finder
    LarryHN Level 9 Level 9 (56,675 points)

    Back to mhy original post

     

    1 - as a start there is no reason to shoot RAW plus JPEG since you are importing two copies of everything and when you import a RAW you automatically get a JPEG

     

    2 - I would get the photos off the SD card and reformat it using your camer's format command

     

    How are you importing? Card reader? USB cable to the camera?

    1 - you are imjporting double of everything

     

    2 - did reformatting the card help It often does

     

    and any chance of answering the question?

     

    LN

  • 12. Re: iPhoto vs. Finder
    azartguy Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    TD, according to Olympus the in-camera rendering and the Viewer renderings are identical. In fact, some folks on dpreview have compared LR and Viewer and concluded that Viewer is noticeably closer to the the camera settings. Wish they'd done it for Aperture as well,

    Brian

  • 13. Re: iPhoto vs. Finder
    azartguy Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Larry, answers:

    1. As I said, if iPhoto is using the Olympus EXIF data then I still need the Olympus JPEG EXIF data fields. Once that's in iPhoto, then everything is the same. Since I can't back engineer all the RAW data out of JPEG, I want to hold onto the RAW files.

    2. I'm not sure what you are suggesting. I have a "RAW Data Edit" feature in the camera, but it creates a RAW image with the changes that are applied to a JPEG file. Just as easy to shoot both and not worry about in-camera conversion; it's easier to post process it in Viewer if I want to do that.

    3. SD card reader

    Brian

  • 14. Re: iPhoto vs. Finder
    LarryHN Level 9 Level 9 (56,675 points)

    2 - I would get the photos off the SD card and reformat it using your camer's format command

    Try reformatting the SD card as suggested using the format command on your camera - this will assure that the card is properly formatted and has no errors on it  --  since this erases your card it is important not to have any photos on the SD card when you do this

     

    And is the SD card reader plugged directly into the Mac or into a hub? - try directly into the Mac if it is not now

     

    LN

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