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Install Disk Copy on Macintosh Classic

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Pinto_guy Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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May 23, 2013 10:16 AM

Hi: I have an old Macintosh 512k, as well as a Classic running 7.0.1. I am trying to make a system floppy (3.2) on the Classic that will boot my 512k. I followed the step by step process describes by Gabriel Torres here: http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/printpage/How-to-Generate-Floppy-Disks-for-Old-Ma cintosh-Computers/1713 but I get stuck  trying to install Disc Copy 6.3.3 on the classic. I successfully downloaded and expanded Disk Copy, copied it on a floppy, using a desktop running WinXP with Transmac, and copied it in the Hard Drive of the Classic. However, when I double click on it, my Classic does not recognize the self-mounting property of the Disk Copy program, and rather thinks it is just a document. I checked with Transmac that the expanded Disk Copy file does not have anything in the "Type" and "Creator" fields. Thinking this could be where the problem is, I tried various "Types" such as AAPL, dImg, as well as "Creator". But no success. Anybody willing to help me ? Thanks in advance.

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  • Niel Level 10 Level 10 (235,095 points)
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    May 23, 2013 10:47 AM (in response to Pinto_guy)

    The file type should be APPL and the creator should be ddsk. If that doesn't work, put the downloaded file and not the extracted one on the floppy.

     

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  • Don Archibald Level 10 Level 10 (101,125 points)
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    May 23, 2013 10:53 PM (in response to Pinto_guy)

    I successfully downloaded and expanded Disk Copy, copied it on a floppy, using a desktop running WinXP with Transmac

     

    It is advisable to not expand (decompress) the Disk Copy file until it is on the Mac and in the classic environment. Otherwise, it is all too likely that the File Type and Creator codes will get stripped off.

     

    Note that the File Type and Creator codes are case sensitive and are exactly four characters in length. Enter them exactly as Niel has typed them.

  • Jan Hedlund Level 6 Level 6 (8,880 points)
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    May 24, 2013 1:35 AM (in response to Pinto_guy)

    Generally speaking, an smi file may not open/mount properly when using a system such as 7.0.1 (although it should). A newer startup floppy (for example, the Network Access Disk 7.5) could help in a case like this, but it may not be available. Alternatively, why not just try to use Disk Copy 4.2 instead of 6.3.3? Disk Copy 4.2 can be installed without having to open an smi file as an intermediate step, and it works under System 7.0.1.

     

    http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/English -North_American/Macintosh/Utilities/Disk_Copy/

     

    As Don indicated, the preferred method is to keep all downloaded files intact until on the Macintosh Classic computer. Normally, do not make an attempt to decode or decompress anything until there. At the old Mac an appropriate version (such as 4.0.1) of StuffIt Expander for Macintosh can be used for decoding/decompression purposes (drag a transferred bin, hqx or sit file onto the StuffIt Expander program icon, or open the file from within the utility). If you do not have a ready-to-use StuffIt Expander 4.0.1 installer for Macintosh, the following post could perhaps be of interest:

     

    https://discussions.apple.com/message/21898244#21898244

     

    Jan

  • Jan Hedlund Level 6 Level 6 (8,880 points)
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    Oct 27, 2013 7:30 PM (in response to Pinto_guy)

    >I cannot get the Setup HD SC program to recogize any of them

     

    The Apple HD SC Setup program was intended for Apple-branded SCSI hard drives only. For other drives one should use an appropriate third-party formatting utility (Lido 7.56 was one example).

     

    Apple's Drive Setup 1.7.3 may also recognise certain third-party drives.

     

    http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1249

     

    >I read in a post that I could use the program SCSI Probe to "see" those external drives.

     

    Another option would be a utility called Mt. Everything.

     

    >So I downlaoded it on my PC, unstuffed it

     

    The normal procedure is to keep any downloaded Mac program file unaltered (.bin, .hqx, or possibly .sit) until on an old Mac. Once there, use StuffIt Expander to decode and decompress the file.

     

    Have you tried to use a Windows PC to make a Mac floppy containing a working StuffIt Expander 4.0.1 installer for Macintosh (see the second link in my previous message)?

     

    Jan

  • Jan Hedlund Level 6 Level 6 (8,880 points)
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    Oct 28, 2013 1:59 AM (in response to Jan Hedlund)

    Addendum

     

    >Same problem again, the Classic does not recognize SCSI Probe.img as an  image, and does not install it. It sees it as a document. The type and  creator and dImg and dCpy respectively.

     

    If you wish to download and transfer a (.bin, .hqx, or .sit) file, you do not necessarily have to use a relatively complicated process involving disk image handling on a PC.

     

    Instead, make sure that an empty 1.44 MB Mac-formatted HD floppy is available to begin with. Then download the file to the PC (do not do anything with this file). Since you have TransMac, just copy the (.bin, .hqx, or .sit) file as it is to the Mac-formatted floppy (the file may even have a truncated PC-style name; keep it as it is). Move the floppy to the Macintosh Classic. Copy the file to the Classic hard disk. Finally, on the Classic, drag the file onto the StuffIt Expander program icon (or open it from within the utility).

     

    Jan

  • Jan Hedlund Level 6 Level 6 (8,880 points)
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    Oct 28, 2013 8:10 AM (in response to Pinto_guy)

    Hi,

     

    Good luck!

     

    BTW, if necessary, please note that older utilities from Apple (such as Disk Copy 4.2 and Network Access Disk 7.5) can be found here:

     

    http://www.info.apple.com/support/oldersoftwarelist.html#util

     

    (a previous link above does not appear to work any more)

     

    Examples of sources for old Mac freeware and shareware:

     

    http://ftp.funet.fi/pub/mac/info-mac/

     

    http://www.umich.edu/~archive/mac/

     

    Jan

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