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Save as in TextEdit?

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  • John Biggins Calculating status...
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    Dec 3, 2012 11:54 AM (in response to Kappy)

    Kappy - your contribution is silly. Apple had no reason to change TextEdit as it worked fine before. TextEdit now drives me crazy with its laborious 'saving' process.

     

    If you still think Apple listens to its customers I have two words for you: Apple Maps. Again, nothing wrong with Google Maps but Apple decides it knows best. Result: utter chaos.

     

    I know it's a cliche, but it would never have happened if Steve was still alive. And as long as people like you won't accept that Apple's making mistakes it will continue to do so.

     

    Get real, Kappy.

  • Razorhog Calculating status...
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    Jan 18, 2013 7:32 AM (in response to John Biggins)

    This new "feature" is terribly frustrating.  I've spent half an hour trying to figure out where my textedit file is, and how to save it somewhere else.  I don't want to duplicate it! Terrible design.  I work with computers for a living and I'm very knowledgeable.  I can't imagine an ordinary user trying to understand this and figure it out, it's just a horrible change. 

  • Jeffrey Jones2 Level 6 Level 6 (8,425 points)
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    Jan 18, 2013 8:27 AM (in response to Razorhog)

    What do mean you don't want to duplicate it? That's what Save As does -- it saves a duplicate. The Duplicate command simply opens the copy as a new document instead of saving it immediately. If you are looking for the Save As command, then you most certainly do want to duplicate it.

  • Razorhog Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Jan 18, 2013 8:47 AM (in response to Jeffrey Jones2)

    Now that I think about it, you are right - I do want to duplicate the file.  But it seems tedious.  After duplicating only then I can click save and it will ask me where I want to save it.  Seems as though they could have both the duplicate and save as options.  The whole bloody ordeal could have been avoided if I could choose "new text file" from a context menu.

  • Kurt Lang Level 7 Level 7 (31,490 points)
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    Jan 18, 2013 9:08 AM (in response to Jeffrey Jones2)

    What do mean you don't want to duplicate it? That's what Save As does -- it saves a duplicate.

    Not exactly. That's what long time users hate about Lion. Duplicate only works like Save As if you do the duplicate immediately upon opening a file. What Save As has always done differently is that you can create a Save As file at any time to apply all changes you've made up to that point to the new file only. The original is automatically closed without any of your changes applied to it.

     

    Duplicate does not do that. If you duplicate part way into a project, Lion saves both files with the same changes to that point, defeating the whole purpose of branching off to a new file without having to obnoxiously return to the original file to revert it back to its previous state.

  • Jeffrey Jones2 Level 6 Level 6 (8,425 points)
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    Jan 18, 2013 9:12 AM (in response to Razorhog)

    But you don't have to click Save. Just do whatever editing you want to do then close the document. It will ask then where to put it, just as it always has for a new document. Autosave means you never have to manually save a document. With Autosave application, a manual Save is always optional.

     

    Old way: Edit; Save As; Name the new document; Close.

    New way: Duplicate; Edit; Close; Name the document.

     

    It's no more complicated, just a different order of steps. But the new way is much safer since you can't accidentally destroy a document. You can use Versions to revert if you neglect to make a duplicate. I might add that this works even better under Mountain Lion.

  • jreid69 Calculating status...
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    Mar 26, 2013 9:28 AM (in response to Scot Walker)

    What is so hard about incorporating auto save and leaving everything else the same so that I can do a "save as" and also find the dang document?  I don't want a version.  I want what I want when I want it.  It's my computer for crying out loud.  I don't have time to learn a whole new pathway that is completely unintuitive and requires me to google each step to see how it is done.  I have a paper to write.  Have we reached a majority of dissatified customers yet?

  • spbitticks Calculating status...
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    May 31, 2013 11:34 PM (in response to Kurt Lang)

    Thanks for this advice - very helpful. I've dug up a Snow Leopard copy and it works. Now, to make it the default progam...

     

    I'm hesitant to delete TextEdit in Lion (actually Mountain Lion, which I have), because I don't know what software update will do.

     

    The problem is, the OS won't accept the Snow Leopard version as the new default program for .rtf's; when I make the change (Change All in Get Info), it resets the file back to the current TextEdit version. Obviously, choosing "Open With" every time is a headache - I use TextEdit dozens of times a day on dozens of files.

     

    I've tried using third-party software to set the default program (Rubicode), but the same issue arises; when I select Snow Leopard's TextEdit, it switches immediately to the newest version. It seems the OS regards the two as somehow the same?

     

    Any advice on getting my computer to default to the Snow Leopard version? Can I somehow hack my Snow Leopard version into thinking it is not TextEdit at all, but a new and distinct program? (I assume this would cause the OS to regard it, like MS Word, as a different program from the new TextEdit and allow the default setting to stick)

     

    Please no comments on getting with the times or whatever. In two years these ridiculous innovations will be replaced by some other system no one asked for.

  • spbitticks Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Jun 1, 2013 12:34 AM (in response to spbitticks)

    Actually, I was wrong. It does now open in the old version as a default. Happy days.

  • Kurt Lang Level 7 Level 7 (31,490 points)
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    Jun 1, 2013 7:05 AM (in response to spbitticks)

    I'm hesitant to delete TextEdit in Lion (actually Mountain Lion, which I have), because I don't know what software update will do.

    If there are any further updates to Lion, and it involves a fix to TextEdit, what the update will do is recreate an item named TextEdit in the Applications folder. Because the app package will only contain the updated components, it will be nonfunctional. Just put it in the trash again.

    The problem is, the OS won't accept the Snow Leopard version as the new default program for .rtf's; when I make the change (Change All in Get Info), it resets the file back to the current TextEdit version.

    No need to do that (as you already discovered). Despite being in your user account, with the Lion version of TextEdit gone, the OS automatically switches to the Snow Leopard version in your user account as the default for such files.

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