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  • 30. Re: Time Zone Support is STUPID!!!!!
    chrismcs Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    To be fair - I don't think Apple engineers are "recalictrant about giving in" on this...Apple hasn't commented at all on this thread, so who knows what they think about this topic.

     

    Like someone mentioned in a previous post - this is great feedback to suggest to Apple on their feedback page.  That said - you need to be clear on what you're asking for.  When you say that you don't want "any time zone features" - that's not accurate...you DO want time zone features.  Currently, when you turn off "time zone support", you DON'T have any time zone features - Apple (like every other calendar app on the planet) merely saves the timestamp of when you scheduled your appointment to occur (ie a specific point in time - not just "a time").  iCal is not "changing" anything when you move to another time zone - your appointment still occurs at the same exact point in time that you specified when you created the event (it merely "feels" different to you because your new location calls that point in time something different than your previous location).

     

    What you're really asking for is that Apple to create a feature where the DO change when your appointments occur every time you move from one time zone to another (I realize this sounds counter-intuitive based on what you see on your calendar, but in order for your 3pm CST appointment to still say "3pm" when you fly to California, iCal would have to change the time of your appiontment to 3pm PST).  Internally, all calendar apps have to process things in the context of when they occur, not just "the time" something occurs (otherwise, how does a computer know when to fire your alarm, etc?).  And like I mentioned in a previous post, this feature already exists in iCal - it's called a "Floating Time Zone".  You simply need to turn on Time Zone support and you will have the option on all your events to schedule them as "floating" (I personally think that would create a nightmare of a calendar where you never actually know when something occurs, but to each his own - the feature is there for you to use).

     

    So that all said, I'm not sure what else it is you're looking for Apple to do since they've already given you the floating time zone option.

  • 31. Re: Time Zone Support is STUPID!!!!!
    vandana22 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Here's another way of saying it...an example of what I want and I think what others want...

     

    I am in New Mexico right now and I am making appointments for later in the year when I am in India.

     

    Let's say I know there is an event happening (I'm making this up...) at 7pm in New Delhi on December 22nd. I want to be able to look on that date and see that I have something scheduled at 7pm. I don't want to see it as 6:30am which is the time (more or less) that it is in New Mexico when it's 7pm in New Delhi. I don't want to have to enter it in a different time zone..or change time zones back and forth.I just want to enter an event on a certain day at a certain time and have it remain that way no matter where I am.

    Got that APPLE?

  • 32. Re: Time Zone Support is STUPID!!!!!
    Beachbum33 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Exactly!

  • 33. Re: Time Zone Support is STUPID!!!!!
    Lawrence Finch Level 7 Level 7 (25,935 points)

    But that's decidedly not what I want. I want to create an event at 7 PM India time, and say in the event that it is India time. So when I get to India it will be right.  However, when I'm in New Mexico I want THAT SAME EVENT to show 6:30 AM, because I need to call into that meeting from New Mexico, and if it appears on my calender at 7 PM either I have to do the mental arithmetic or I'll miss the meeting by 12 1/2 hours.

  • 34. Re: Time Zone Support is STUPID!!!!!
    mwestley Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I seriously doubt you'll get Apple or any other calendar app to do it that way. There are a lot of us who have to know when an event is happening in our time zone, not just the event's time zone.

     

    I think you're in the minority on this issue.

  • 35. Re: Time Zone Support is STUPID!!!!!
    Meg St._Clair Level 8 Level 8 (38,380 points)

    vandana22 wrote:

     

    Let's say I know there is an event happening (I'm making this up...) at 7pm in New Delhi on December 22nd. I want to be able to look on that date and see that I have something scheduled at 7pm. I don't want to see it as 6:30am which is the time (more or less) that it is in New Mexico when it's 7pm in New Delhi. I don't want to have to enter it in a different time zone..or change time zones back and forth.I just want to enter an event on a certain day at a certain time and have it remain that way no matter where I am.

    You seem to be able to do that with Google Calendar. It lets you chose the time zone of the indivicual appointment.

  • 36. Re: Time Zone Support is STUPID!!!!!
    Lawrence Finch Level 7 Level 7 (25,935 points)

    You can also choose the time zone of the individual appointment with iCal, with Calendar on the iPhone, and with the various calendar apps for the iPhone including Pocket Informant and Week Calendar (the two best IMO). Also with MS Outlook, Pimlical for Windows and Android, and most other calendar apps. And they all work pretty much the same way. @vandana22 doesn't want to have to choose the time zone, however.

  • 37. Re: Time Zone Support is STUPID!!!!!
    Meg St._Clair Level 8 Level 8 (38,380 points)

    Lawrence Finch wrote:

     

    @vandana22 doesn't want to have to choose the time zone, however.

    Seems like an easy enough thing to do. <shrug>

  • 38. Re: Time Zone Support is STUPID!!!!!
    vandana22 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Actually Meg it's not easy enough! If it were easier to choose the time zone I might be willing to do it.

    If I am scheduling many different things that are happening in different time zones (such as a flight with layovers) it's fairly complicated...compared to how easy most things are to do on the iphone...the author of this post is suggesting that this aspect of the phone needs improving upon and I agree!

  • 39. Re: Time Zone Support is STUPID!!!!!
    Lawrence Finch Level 7 Level 7 (25,935 points)

    Life is complicated. Get used to it.

     

    Or find a device that does it better.

  • 40. Re: Time Zone Support is STUPID!!!!!
    AnnieDinCA Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Vandana22 completely gets it - I have to figure this out for my boss who lives much of the time in Asia, but travels all over the world. Main office and my office is in California - we have his time zone fixed for Asia and have time zone support turned off on iPad and iPhone - I tried setting appointment times for each individual time zone that he will be in when that appointments happens, but the result is it all adjusts for Asia time so a 2 pm appointment in Los Angeles shows up at 11 p.m. the previous day. Makes it really hard when we are talking to folks and scheduling additional meetings to see what the day really looks like. My best workaround so far is creating a second calendar that I call California (or wherever he will be other than Asia) and duplicating all the appointments to happen in that time zone.  So the 2 pm Thursday appointment will show up at 11 p.m. Wednesday on the main "Asia" calendar and at 2 pm on the secondary "California" calendar.  Then we will hide the main calendar when he is actually in California to hopefully avoid confusion.

     

    That seems to be a lame solution but better than going back to paper, which I am seriously considering.

     

    Interested in hearing your feedback.

  • 41. Re: Time Zone Support is STUPID!!!!!
    crystalsinger Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Beachbum33 wrote:

     

    I don't want ANY TIME ZONE FEATURES AT ALL. I want the calendar to behave JUST LIKE A PAPER CALENDAR.

     

    Sounds like you should carry a paper-based diary instead of using iCal. At the moment you're using a screwdriver and yelling, "WHY DOESN'T THIS SCREWDRIVER BEHAVE LIKE A HAMMER?!? I JUST WANT IT TO BE LIKE MY OLD HAMMER!!"

     

    So go grab yourself a hammer. Problem solved.  *shrug*

  • 42. Re: Time Zone Support is STUPID!!!!!
    The real phdung Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Here is what I want.

    The time i enter should go into a Text or number cell and not be tied to a clock at all.

    So when I'm at home in Mountain time and enter my appointment at 4pm in a place that is on pacific time no matter where I am in the world it says I am suppose to be there at 4pm.

  • 43. Re: Time Zone Support is STUPID!!!!!
    Lawrence Finch Level 7 Level 7 (25,935 points)

    You can want what you want, but you aren't going to get it. You can try looking for a calendar app that does that, but I haven't seen one on any device in the 20 years I have been using PDAs and smart phones. Perhaps you should write such an app yourself.

  • 44. Re: Time Zone Support is STUPID!!!!!
    HansWorldTravels Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Wow, this discussion has been going on for over a year and it has not been fixed????

     

    This is not rocket science.  I just moved from an Android & Gmail, and there solution was seamless & effortless, and was fixed/corrected shortly after they released multiple timezone even functionality.

     

    Here's how it can easily work.

     

    In gCalendar via a web browser, one opens a new event.  You put in the start time, say departing Denver at 4pm.  You click a button "Time Zone" on the event window.  A subwindow opens up, you check "Use separate start and end time zones" and two time zone dropdown menus open.  Mountain Time is my default, so I need not change that for my start time.  My 3 hour flight arrives in Atlanta at 9pm EST.  I enter 9pm for the event end time and select "Eastern Time Zone" in the dropdown menu that follows.  Hit done and complete the rest of my event details.

     

    This event automatically shows the 3hr duration.  If my computer time is MST, it shows me the event based on MST.  If my computer, or more importantly my phone (which auto updates once I physically change times zones) changes to EST, that event on the phone calendar shows up for a 3 hour duration in EST where I'm at.

     

    gCalender even has different timezone options in the dropdown menu for places like Arizona that do not observe Daylight Savings.

     

    There is no TZS button either on the phone or web interface, there is no way to get confused.  Similar problems happened with gCal when timezones were first released, but they fixed it quickly, because it was flawed.

     

    Having just come to the iPhone, realizing it was the superior mobile device, it doesn't make me very happy to see Apple is doing nothing about this simple problem that' causes real problems for the people using the phone & who travel a lot between timezones.  gCal Time Zones.png

     

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