12 Replies Latest reply: Aug 18, 2013 1:07 PM by sj45410 Branched to a new discussion.
siren7400 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

I'm a basic Mac user and I have a small collection of fantastic older games for Mac that I'd love to play – but I can't, as the classic environment has been disabled in newer software OS10. This is so disappointing because the emulators on the web are overly complicated to install, if not almost impossible; especially for a basic user like me. From what I hear on the web, Apple won't be releasing any commercial software to emulate the classic environment as there is not enough of a market for it. But from what I have observed, there are plenty of others like myself who would love an easy-to-install software that allows classic mode to be used on newer Apple software. I'd pay for it of course!

 

I'd really like to get an understanding of why classic environment has been 'disabled' in new software? Why Apple? WHY? I'm sure there must be a good reason...


Mac mini (Mid 2010), Mac OS X (10.6.8), classic environment
  • 1. Re: Why was classic environment disabled?
    Gary - former developer Level 1 Level 1 (95 points)

    Two words: Planned obsolescence

     

     

    Gary

  • 2. Re: Why was classic environment disabled?
    dalstott Level 4 Level 4 (2,530 points)

    I agree with Gary and will add that there is no money in supporting older hardware. Gotta keep the stock price up.

     

    I had a Pismo G3 laptop for years with both OS 10.4.11 and OS 9.2.2 on separate partitons. When it expired I bought a used 2004  iBook G4 for $150 which also has 10.4.11 installed and classic environment. It works perfectly and seems to out perform the Pismo which was running native OS 9.2.2. I can use all my ancient data created in Claris Works, Claris Draw, MacWrite, etc. I can even run Windows 95 with Real PC (an emulator in an emulator !) seamlessly. As Apple is not listening consider an older Mac that will run OS 9 either natively or via Classic Environment.

     

    http://www.everymac.com/systems/by_capability/macs-that-support-macos-9-classic. html

     

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  • 3. Re: Why was classic environment disabled?
    Gary - former developer Level 1 Level 1 (95 points)

    >there is no money in supporting older hardware

     

    I think this statement should actually be:

    "there is no DIRECT money in supporting older hardware"

     

    because a company's reputation is VERY important for customer loyalty. If a company becomes known for poor quality products (in WHATEVER form that may take), they will lose their customer base.

     

    In MY case, I haven't purchased a new Apple product since 2002 due to the lack of Mac OS 9 support. And I convinced my doctor to buy a Google Chromebook rather than a new Mac after Apple told her that her 1 year old machine would be obsolete (ie unusable) after the next OS update. She showed off her new Chromebook to her colleagues and THEY bought Chromebooks too.

     

     

    Gary

     


  • 4. Re: Why was classic environment disabled?
    Patt9 Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)

    We are a bigger club than we may realize. 

     

    I didn't want to give up Adobe PhotoDeluxe 1.1, or Eudora, or Appleworks. 

     

    You're right, siren7400, it is very tricky to install SheepShaver, but not impossible.  Today I am using SheepShaver on top of Mt.Lion.  PhotoDeluxe 1.1 is working great.  I'm not the brightest bulb on the tree, just very determined.  I used three different sources to figure out how to accomplish SS.  The man most responsible can be found at this link http://www.emaculation.com/doku.php/sheepshaver_mac_os_x_setup. He was very patient with me, which can't be too easy.   I also used two different youtube videos to help me understand. 

     

    I have way more time than I have money, so if time is scarce for you, I think the option of purchasing an older Mac may be a good idea.  I doubt that I will totally give up my G5. 

     

    I bought a Mac Mini 2012 (late) with Mt. Lion recently, but we bought my husband (on a G4/Tiger) a 2010 (mid) on ebay that's working pretty good; it came with SnowLeopard, still supporting Rossetta, which allows him to continue with AppleWorks and Eudora.  He doesn't use his computer like I do, so photodeluxe wasn't an issue for him.

     

    I installed Parellels 8 and Server SnowLeopard on Mt. Lion, but so far, I'm not too impressed.  My husand's future problem is that when Apple and others stop supporting SnowLeopard and Firefox or Safarie, it opens the Mac up to NO new updates ie, adobe flash used with Youtube, and hackers. We just bought him some time, that's all.  Already there are various areas on PPC Tiger that I can not view on my G5.

     

    But since Mac users have always been treated like the "ugly step children" in a Window's world, there are those Mac folks who forever come up with something new (third party) to save the day.  It's not that change is the enemy, it's that if it isn't broken why fix it?

     

    KVM also makes a switch so you can use the same monitor/keyboard/mouse on two Macs.  And, they also make the same switch for dual monitors.  A bit pricy, but check it out at KVM's offical site.

     

    Now I have to relearn how to increase the memory so QT will work.

     

    Patt

  • 5. Re: Why was classic environment disabled?
    dalstott Level 4 Level 4 (2,530 points)

    RE: It's not that change is the enemy, it's that if it isn't broken why fix it?

     

    Right on!

     

    What's new is not necessariy needed and what's old is not automatically obsolete

  • 6. Re: Why was classic environment disabled?
    siren7400 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Thanks Patt, yes I agree it does come down to determination. Thanks also for the link and the tips, I will give it another try. If all else fails, maybe I will buy a Mac that can run Classic.

     

    Macs do have some downfalls and you're right about the "ugly step children" reference too. I only use Mac because I was trained on a Mac whilst studying and that's the platform which I then became used to and comfortable working with. It's also, for the most part a job requirement to be able to work on a Mac in my field of work. But sometimes I think life might be simpler if I'd just stuck with PC

     

    Thanks for everyone's feedback, at least I have a better understanding of why the Classic Environment is being killed off. Not surprised to learn the reason is stone cold cash.

  • 7. Re: Why was classic environment disabled?
    Patt9 Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)

    Yea, your story about being Mac addicted and not wanting to climb into the murk and mire of the PC world, is most likely the reason we Mac users are stll Mac users.

     

    Besides the site I offered above, here are two Youtube sites that I used.  As  you know, now all Youtubs are created equal.  This one will tell you where to download a necessary item called "New World Rom" 1. linkhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qqgw4z_r2sE

     

    First, what OS (operating system)are you going to install SS on?  It makes a difference. 

     

    I was installing onto Mt. Lion; that took a special turn which the other OSs don't need.  I'm in no way an expert at this, but since I had to roll around in ti, smell it, and taste it (SS) before I could get it, I have been able to simplify some of the jargon that caused me difficulty in understanding.  So, if you'd like a few tips, please write back, and I will provide what I can.

     

    2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKSSON0nMdI  This youtube video is pretty good. 

     

    These links are just to get you use to what is happening.  What I missed on Ron's site (http://www.emaculation.com/doku.php/sheepshaver_mac_os_x_setup) due to my inability to comprehend the written word (very visutal person here), I picked up from the videos.  One thing you will need for sure is a retail type CD of OS9 to make SS work.  There are some lower OSs, too that can be used.  Different OSs plug into different Roms, ie Old world Rom or New World Rom.

     

    But, TMI for now, if you write back I will know you need my simple minded tips.  I don't want to under estimate your brain power.

  • 8. Re: Why was classic environment disabled?
    siren7400 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Thanks for that Patt, I really appreciate the tips. I am a visual person myself and thus most of the problem stems from this. I'll definitely  ask for tips if in need when I do have another go at installing.

    Thanks again! I'll watch the youtube vid's to get me started.

  • 9. Re: Why was classic environment disabled?
    MlchaelLAX Level 4 Level 4 (1,745 points)

    If you decide that SheepShaver is your best option, consider its cousin, Chubby Bunny, which comes preinstalled with the Mac ROMs and OS 9 already installed. 

     

    Here is a recent post I assembled on this subject:

     

     

    With the newer Intel Macs, you have to run a Classic emulator such as SheepShaver, which requires you to extract the Mac ROMs from your older Classic Mac and then install Mac OS 9.

     

    A related program is Chubby Bunny, which comes bundled with all of that included (google the term "Classic-On-Intel v 4.0.1 chubby bunny").

     

     

    More information on SheepShaver:

     

    http://www.emaculation.com/doku.php/sheepshaver_mac_os_x_setup

     

    and

     

    http://www.everymac.com/mac-answers/mac-os-9-classic-support-faq/run-macos-9-on- intel-macs.html

     

    and more information about Chubby Bunny:

     

    http://www.macwindows.com/OS9_on_Intel_Mac.html#092408b

     

    and

     

    http://hackthemac.blogspot.co.uk/2008/08/chubby-bunny-old-virtual-machine.html

    Here is the Classic version of RISK II running in SheepShaver on my Lion Mac:

     

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  • 10. Re: Why was classic environment disabled?
    dlraff56 Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)

    I don't have any experience running Mac Classic games on OS X with an emulator, but I was able to successfully install and configure SheepShaver on our two Intel iMacs at work. We use a bar code creation app that was never updated for OS X. In fact, the Mac version of this app was totally abandoned and they only support and update the app for Windows. Anyway, we still need to use this app and I was determined to find a way. It runs perfectly using SheepShaver, so this was a viable solution to continue using an OS 9 app.

  • 11. Re: Why was classic environment disabled?
    dalstott Level 4 Level 4 (2,530 points)

    I'm glad you have a successful experience with SheepShaver. This info can encourage others to try it with their Mac Classic programs.

  • 12. Re: Why was classic environment disabled?
    sj45410 Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)

    If you do want to still get a Mac with OS 9 on it, there are great ones on eBay. I got a slightly-broken-but-fixable iBook for only $70! I couldnt get sheepshaver to work right, so I got this.