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  • 15. Re: How to create a network available drive
    Csound1 Level 8 Level 8 (35,285 points)

    That's a NAS, also it is one that has been mentioned by name (in this forum) as not working well with Time Machine.

  • 16. Re: How to create a network available drive
    Cartoonguy Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Okay, I am learning a lot about the vagaries of the various claims about what hardware will work and what won't.  At least I can see that my original question was not a stupid one!  So my goal of having a Time Machine back up on my network so that I can place it in a secure location seperate to my computer, is really not possible unless I buy the Apple Time Capsule product.  I am surprised to learn that, but appreciative of the advice.

  • 17. Re: How to create a network available drive
    Csound1 Level 8 Level 8 (35,285 points)

    Cartoonguy wrote:

     

    Okay, I am learning a lot about the vagaries of the various claims about what hardware will work and what won't.

    Marketing, it's a wild landscape out there

     

    At least I can see that my original question was not a stupid one!

    Not at all.

     

    So my goal of having a Time Machine back up on my network so that I can place it in a secure location seperate to my computer, is really not possible unless I buy the Apple Time Capsule product.  I am surprised to learn that, but appreciative of the advice.

    It may be but do you want to be the experimenter? especially with your backup, buy the Time Capsule.

  • 18. Re: How to create a network available drive
    Cartoonguy Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Okay, Time Capsule.  I got the message!     With Time Capsule, can I attach a second USB drive to it to expand it's back up capabilities?  Will it back up to a drive attached by USB, if I want to do that?  I ask because someone is selling a 500gb time capsule pretty cheap and I already have a 2TB drive I am using now for back up, so I could do that.

  • 19. Re: How to create a network available drive
    Csound1 Level 8 Level 8 (35,285 points)

    Cartoonguy wrote:

     

    Okay, Time Capsule.  I got the message!     With Time Capsule, can I attach a second USB drive to it to expand it's back up capabilities?  Will it back up to a drive attached by USB, if I want to do that?  I ask because someone is selling a 500gb time capsule pretty cheap and I already have a 2TB drive I am using now for back up, so I could do that.

    Not sure, maybe Pondini will pop back in and answer that for you, my guess is no, but it is a guess.

  • 20. Re: How to create a network available drive
    Pondini Level 8 Level 8 (38,720 points)

    Cartoonguy wrote:

    . . .

    With Time Capsule, can I attach a second USB drive to it to expand it's back up capabilities?  Will it back up to a drive attached by USB, if I want to do that?

    Yes.  The backups for any one Mac can't "span" from the internal HD to a USB drive, but lots of folks back up one Mac to the internal HD, one or more others to the USB drive.  I back up my Mac to both, just for insurance.

     

    With a powered hub, you can connect more than one (the USB port is underpowered -- some folks need them even with a single large self-powered drive).

     

     

    I ask because someone is selling a 500gb time capsule pretty cheap and I already have a 2TB drive I am using now for back up, so I could do that.

     

    Yes, but . . . you can't continue backing-up to the same set of backups, as they're stored differently when done over a network. See the blue box in #E2 of Time Machine - Troubleshooting.

     

    Be aware that the 500 GB models were discontinued in July, 2009, so it's at least 4 years old already.  I certainly wouldn't depend on the HD lasting much longer, and maybe not the rest, either.

     

    Message was edited by: Pondini

  • 21. Re: How to create a network available drive
    Csound1 Level 8 Level 8 (35,285 points)

    It's good that you came back, I was way out with my guess

  • 22. Re: How to create a network available drive
    Pondini Level 8 Level 8 (38,720 points)

    None of us were born knowing all this weird stuff! 

  • 23. Re: How to create a network available drive
    Csound1 Level 8 Level 8 (35,285 points)

    Thank the lord for that, my teenage years would have been a lot less fun.

  • 24. Re: How to create a network available drive
    Pondini Level 8 Level 8 (38,720 points)

       

  • 25. Re: How to create a network available drive
    Cartoonguy Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Thanks for all this explanation.  Much clearer on all this now.  Funny how nothing is ever quite what it seems. 

     

    I get that I would have to redo my existing backup, but that's not such a big deal.  I guess i would lose the incremental back ups I have now, but I'm not too worried about that.  Good point about the older Time Capsule, but again, if I do end up getting one, I would just use it as a pass through for my attached 2TB drive.  I notice that the previous model 2TB TC is reduced in the Apple refurb section right now, so that might be the way to go. 

     

    Appreciate your help.  Thanks again. 

  • 26. Re: How to create a network available drive
    Pondini Level 8 Level 8 (38,720 points)

    Hold the phone!

     

    We've just learned that the new Airport Extreme Setup Guide for the new models says Time Machine backups to a USB drive connected to it are now supported (in the older models, it was not).  See page 13.

     

    However, Apple just updated AirPort base stations: Time Machine hard drive compatibility on June 11, saying it's not supported, with no distinction between the new and old models.

     

    One of our hardware gurus says the new model has the same new innards as the new Time Capsule, so perhaps the Setup Guide is right.  If so, that sounds like a much better alternative for you (and $199 vs. $299).

     

    You might want to wait a bit until we can get clarification.

     

    Message was edited by: Pondini

  • 27. Re: How to create a network available drive
    Cartoonguy Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I'm not seeing in those links where it says it's not supported.  I only see that it says it is.  In any case, are you saying that the older models definately do support backing up to external drive anyway?

  • 28. Re: How to create a network available drive
    Pondini Level 8 Level 8 (38,720 points)

    Cartoonguy wrote:

     

    I'm not seeing in those links where it says it's not supported.

    From the second link:

     

    Additional Information

    Time Machine is not supported with USB hard drives that are connected to an AirPort Express or AirPort Extreme device.

    If you look in the Help on your Mac, the Disks you can use with Time Machine section says Time Machine "can't" back up that way.

     

    In any case, are you saying that the older models definately do support backing up to external drive anyway?

    No.  The old ones work sometimes, but are generally unreliable for use with Time Machine -- the backups tend to turn up corrupted with no warning. 

     

    The new models have different hardware and firmware (and cost more) and since the new Setup Guide clearly says it's supported, apparently it is.  I have asked for clarification, but it may just be that the support articles and Help haven't been updated yet. 

     

    Message was edited by: Pondini

  • 29. Re: How to create a network available drive
    Csound1 Level 8 Level 8 (35,285 points)

    Pondini wrote:

     

    In any case, are you saying that the older models definately do support backing up to external drive anyway?

    No.  The old ones work sometimes, but are generally unreliable for use with Time Machine -- the backups tend to turn up corrupted with no warning. 

     

    That has been my experience as well.