Troubled Imac User

Q: blue screen after startup and system hangs

Going through various material available on the forum - i went through following self help and am finally turning to experts

 

1. Safe boot - everything works, even the login window after 'boot sequence is apple logo, spining pointer, loading mac and then login window'.

2. Single User mode - works, fsck shows no error, continuing with boot using rc in single user mode works with no graphics interface

3. Deletion of /var/db/.Applesetupdone or something equivalent Or even moving around other .* files - doesn't solve the problem

4. Looking at various logs in /var/log & other places nothing is obivious except for following few messages when doing a *standard boot*

      windowserver.log ==> (last few lines)

     Accel caps: 00000003

     CGXPerformInitialDisplayConfiguration

               Display 0x4271500: MappedDisplay Unit 0; Vendor 0x610 Model 0x9c54 S/N 0; online enabled built-in ....

               Display 0x3f003d: MappedDisplay Unit 1; Vendor 0xfffffffff Model 0xffffffff S/N -1; offline enabled (2464,0)[1 x 1], ...

     system.log ===> (last 2 lines)

     localhost kernel[0]: ATY,Aphrodite2_A: vram [98000000:08000000]

     localhost kernel[0]: ATY,Aphrodite2_B: vram [98000000:08000000]

5. Lastly blued always seems to be crashing. So moved it to a different name to see if i can resolve the issue, no luck.

 

Bottomline all above effort didin't solved the blue screen with standard login.

 

What could be the reason? I didn;t installed any memory - the system was/has been working smootly over past few years and only recently started making lots of noise or hangups after awakening from sleep. Do i have the faulty system memory?

 

I also tried reinstalling the OS - no luck there either.

 

Also i don't suspect the memory, because in safe boot the system performs normal with all graphical interfaces. What is the equivalent of /sbin/rc for multiuser mode? Is there a file similar to unix that i can look at to control what gets launched as part of multiuser boot?

 

Thanks in advance for all help.

iMac, Mac OS X (10.4.11)

Posted on Aug 14, 2011 8:25 PM

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  • by rccharles,

    rccharles rccharles Apr 20, 2012 10:56 AM in response to All0yd
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    Apr 20, 2012 10:56 AM in response to All0yd

    You migh look here:

    blue apple > system preferences > universal access > mouse

     

    I suggest posting another questions to ask about the mouse.

     

    Robert

  • by Iritscen,

    Iritscen Iritscen Apr 20, 2012 3:07 PM in response to rccharles
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    Apr 20, 2012 3:07 PM in response to rccharles

    Based on my and others' experiences, that cursor issue is definitely a result of the graphics card failure.  I experienced the same issue when booting in Safe Mode, but when I removed all the ATI drivers as previously described, the cursor corruption went away.  Not sure why it didn't go away for you too.

  • by LKNRaiderFan,

    LKNRaiderFan LKNRaiderFan Oct 6, 2012 8:44 PM in response to Troubled Imac User
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    Oct 6, 2012 8:44 PM in response to Troubled Imac User

    Ok, after spending DAYS researching what to do about a G5 iMac that won't boot past the blue screen I have taken the advice of this thread and removed every extension that starts with ATI. I am now finally able to boot the machine, but it seems to be running slowly.

     

    Is there any way to determine if I actually have a video board issue? I've run hardware test, repaired permissions, reloaded the OS, reset the PRAM and the PMU, and done a dozen other things with no result. I also turned off Airport and that didn't help. This is the first thing that has made a difference. I'm surprised this info hasn't been made more readily available to others.

     

    Also, has anyone determined WHICH of the ATI extensions is really causing a concern?

     

    Finally, the instructions call for just pulling the extension out of the folder into another folder. In my experience, this just COPIED the extensions into the other folder. I kept that folder but had to go back to the extension and drag them to the TRASH to actually remove them.

     

    All input is appreciated!

  • by Iritscen,

    Iritscen Iritscen Oct 9, 2012 9:46 AM in response to LKNRaiderFan
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    Oct 9, 2012 9:46 AM in response to LKNRaiderFan

    If removing the ATI drivers allows the machine to boot, you almost certainly have a bad card.  Those drivers allow the Mac to use the card, so by deleting them, you avoid triggering the defective hardware.  As a result of not finding the drivers, OS X then falls back to its software renderer, which is slower than hardware-accelerated graphics.  But since your goal was to allow your Mac to start up without crashing, you probably won't benefit from restoring any of the drivers, as they are all designed to work together.

  • by sra_mana,

    sra_mana sra_mana Nov 3, 2012 12:17 AM in response to Iritscen
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    Nov 3, 2012 12:17 AM in response to Iritscen

    yes Iritscen, am agree with you. I have a imac g5 PPC, and have the same problem. I did copy and paste the driver in another folder, it work and I can boot my imac but the graphic card is not working the same as it has to be. even if you go to system info and see your graphic/ displays info, you can see that the Quartz Extreme is not supported. and if its not supported you cant use iMovie and other programs.

     

    I am trying to find a better way to solve the problem but still no luck, if any one have find any thing plz let us know.

     

    thanks

  • by braeburn8,

    braeburn8 braeburn8 Jun 18, 2013 1:01 PM in response to rccharles
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    Jun 18, 2013 1:01 PM in response to rccharles

    As with other people replying I used the same procedure to fix a broken GeForce FX 5200 card.

     

    Could not be better for anyone wishing to extend the life of an iMac G5.

     

    As a further life enhancing fix; and if you like watching, for example BBC iPlayer, or any other videos that need the latest Flash player, on an iMac G5 with OSX 10.5.8, watch YouTube for:

    Flash Player fix for Mac PPC

     

    Link: http://youtu.be/iCrAKhv3R_c

     

    Combining this Flash player fix, with RRCharles’s broken video card fix, I now have an iMac G5 running 10.5.8 performing the death defying feat of playing live BBC on my iMac G5, with a broken GeForce video card.

     

    How’s that!

     

    Kudos to RRCharles for excellent deduction, the courage to try this and share with the community.

     

     


  • by Troubled Imac User,

    Troubled Imac User Troubled Imac User Jun 18, 2013 6:45 PM in response to braeburn8
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    Jun 18, 2013 6:45 PM in response to braeburn8

    Awesome, when i originally posted this issue way back in 2011, never thought the imac g5 will have life past an year or so. Mine screen died completely in early 2012, so i connected a external VGA monitor which lasted for another 3-4 months and since then the video card doesn't seem to support even the external monitor.

         For past 9 months or so my imac g5 with no video support is still operational as file server but only because i was lucky enough to keep the telnet service ON before the video card died down (yes i can still telnet into my imac-g5-ppc).

     

    Wondering if anyone has seen similar faith with their imac g5 ppc (or is it just me because of heavy usage - my kids were using it all the time till it ran out of juice)? Or have found a solution to fix the video card? (i am game to fixing the card by opening the mac - tried that following some net posting about bad capacitors only to notice that my imac had a isight camera whereas the one people mentioned with capacitors issue was the older model)

     

    Thanks in advance

  • by rccharles,

    rccharles rccharles Jun 19, 2013 10:20 AM in response to Troubled Imac User
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    Jun 19, 2013 10:20 AM in response to Troubled Imac User

    braeburn8, Thanks for the kind comments.

     

    Troubled Imac User: I read some post about reflowing the solder connecting the  viedo pins to the logic board.  This is way beyond my capabilities.  Suggest you try this on some broken board. I'd suspect someother problem than a bad video chip if you do not get a display in safe mode.  Seems like some kind of "cabling" problem too me to the video out port.

  • by aksCloud,

    aksCloud aksCloud Oct 19, 2013 3:51 PM in response to rccharles
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    Oct 19, 2013 3:51 PM in response to rccharles

    I also had the problem that I could only boot in the safe mode, or else I would get a blue screen. I removed the ATI files from the Extensions folder, but this alone did not solve the problem. I also removed the GeForce files because I have a NVIDIA card. This allowed me to boot normally. My question is why did this work? and what does this mean about my system?

  • by rccharles,

    rccharles rccharles Oct 19, 2013 5:41 PM in response to braeburn8
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    Oct 19, 2013 5:41 PM in response to braeburn8

    Glad to hear of your success.

     

    Thanks for your kind words.

     

    Robert

  • by Iritscen,

    Iritscen Iritscen Oct 21, 2013 5:34 AM in response to aksCloud
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    Oct 21, 2013 5:34 AM in response to aksCloud

    aksCloud: See my second post above.  By "bad card" I mean that some of the VRAM, or some other chip, has failed on the graphics card.

  • by triciacastro,

    triciacastro triciacastro Nov 19, 2013 4:54 PM in response to rccharles
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    Nov 19, 2013 4:54 PM in response to rccharles

    You are a savior! I've reinstalled two OS versions already thinking it was a bad install. No where else on the internet gave the solution to my problem! You're a genius!!!

     

    T H A N K  Y O U !

  • by rccharles,

    rccharles rccharles Nov 19, 2013 7:25 PM in response to triciacastro
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    Nov 19, 2013 7:25 PM in response to triciacastro

    Glad you found this discussion.  Happy computing.

     

    Robert

  • by BozoTexino,

    BozoTexino BozoTexino Dec 8, 2013 9:03 AM in response to rccharles
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    Dec 8, 2013 9:03 AM in response to rccharles

    Beautiful, elegant solution for a troubled PPC G5 that's only being controlled remotely now. Thanks rccharles!

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