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  • 60. Re: Does iPad mini Wifi come with GPS
    rockmyplimsoul Level 5 Level 5 (5,495 points)

    willyjp wrote:

     

    But how does it initially "find" me when I turn my wi-fi on??

    Because your IP address is registered in a database with the coordinates of your router.

  • 61. Re: Does iPad mini Wifi come with GPS
    willyjp Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    That has to be the wrong explanation because:

     

    My IP address IS supplied by my ISP, and my ISP DOES have my street address, but my street address (and the spot Google maps, etc. will take you if you put in my street address is over 1500 ft. from my house and over a knoll.  My iPad Google maps (or any other mapping app. shows my location WITHIN my house and even, very roughly, where in my house I am.  If I move from one end to the other, my location blue dot adjusts a bit in that direction...not precise but it seems to sense a slight change. 

     

    So my ISP (or anyone connected with supplying my internet connection) really has NO IDEA where my router is within about 3 acres, and would have to assume it's within 50' or so of the edge of the road where my street address comes up.   But my iPad Mini, with no detectible wi-fi signals in the area except from my router, and no commercial, published hotspots within 3 miles can find me roughly inside my house.  THAT I cannot explain. 

     

    I can't detect my wi-fi signal from the intersection of my driveway with the street, so I would doubt that the Google Street View Van has also mapped the location of my router (you can't see my house from the street, so all the Google Van could detect if they were correlating wi-fi signals with addresses would be that my signal was coming from someplace over the top of a hill beyond a grassy pasture.  So, unless some black helicopter or drone from the NSA has flown over in an aerial version of "war driving" and mapped my wi-fi signal (just joking guys!!), I don't see how any one connected with my internet service could know the location of my router.

  • 62. Re: Does iPad mini Wifi come with GPS
    malfran Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Hello everyone,

    Excuse me if I sound dumb, but I have a mini ipad with cellular but I don't know how to get the supposed inbuilt navigator to work with no internet. I have the apple map app. Do i need to purchase a map app with stored maps for this to work in the UK? I was planning to use this as my navigator on my overseas trip next week but can't work it out.

    Thanks

  • 63. Re: Does iPad mini Wifi come with GPS
    Philly_Phan Level 6 Level 6 (11,705 points)

    I have an iPod Touch with IOS-7 but my iPad is the original with IOS-5 so I'm a bit in the dark regarding what you describe as a "supposed inbuilt navigator."  Neither one of my devices have any such thing.  In any event, consider the following mini-education:

     

     

    GPS signals are separate from and completely unrelated to both the Internet and the cellular telephone network.  GPS signals come directly from the GPS satellites.  They provide signals that allow GPS receivers to calculate latitude and longitude information.  Navigation software then takes that latitude/longitude info and converts it to land mass, roads, bridges, highways, buildings, etc.

     

    Most navigation software stores the maps right in the iPad/iPod/iPhone but a disadvantage is that the maps must be periodically updated (perhaps once/year).  The Internet is not required to use the system but it is required to update the maps.

     

    Some navigation software gets the maps from the Internet and requires an Internet connection to function but an advantage is that the maps are always up-to-date.

     

    The WiFi+3G/4G iPad and the iPhone both have a GPS receiver.  The WiFi-only iPad and the iPod do not and these devices require an accessory.

  • 64. Re: Does iPad mini Wifi come with GPS
    rockmyplimsoul Level 5 Level 5 (5,495 points)

    malfran wrote:

     

    I have the apple map app. Do i need to purchase a map app with stored maps for this to work in the UK?

    Perhaps to distinguish "maps" from "navigation apps" (which is what Philly is referring to above), the Apple and Google Maps applications require internet to get their map data.  If you view one of the Map apps while on Wi-Fi you'll get the map data you might need, but only for a pretty limited area and not at all levels of "zoom".

     

    So while it is possible to start up Apple or Google maps on Wi-Fi, then get off the internet and continue to locate your postion without any internet whatsoever (provided you have a cellular iPad) the usability of that will be pretty limited once you move out of the previously downloaded map area that you got while on Wi-Fi.

     

    So really what you're after is what Philly was getting at -- navigation apps, and specifically those that let you pre-load the map and points-of-interest data in advance, with no need for internet to use them out in the wild.  I used Navigon Italy and it was fantastic at getting me around, even in the narrow alleyways of Venice.  But there are other such products.  Just beware of the less expensive ones which may require internet to get their map and POI data, or may involve a subscription which brings their price back up to what the better apps cost.


    Have fun!

  • 65. Re: Does iPad mini Wifi come with GPS
    malfran Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Thankyou for the replies.

    I believe the mini ipad I have has the inbuilt GPS chip. It is the cellular model that has the ability to be used as a GPS without internet use.

  • 66. Re: Does iPad mini Wifi come with GPS
    malfran Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    So I need to purchase a navigation app like Navigon? to get it to work. Do I have to buy a specific UK one or is there a world wide one? Sorry if I sound stupid. My Ipad has ios 7 on it. Thanks Frances

  • 67. Re: Does iPad mini Wifi come with GPS
    Philly_Phan Level 6 Level 6 (11,705 points)

    First I wish to clarify my previous post a bit.  Map software converts the lattitude/longtitude into land mass (roads, bridges, buildings, etc.).  Navigation software is map software on steroids in that it adds directions that enable you to get to your destination.

     

    The apps are universal.  You would buy an app like Navigon (or others) and separately add the maps for the U.K.  I don't use nav software in my IOS devices so I don't know what maps, if any, are normally included.

     

    I have a dedicated Garmin nav unit (frequently but incorrectly called a "GPS" unit).  In any event, since I purchased it in the U.S., the U.S. maps were included with the purchase.  If I were to visit the U.K. with the unit, I'd have to buy the U.K. maps.  If you purchased the same Garmin unit, you would get the U.K. maps as standard.

  • 68. Re: Does iPad mini Wifi come with GPS
    Philly_Phan Level 6 Level 6 (11,705 points)

    malfran wrote:

     

    Thankyou for the replies.

    I believe the mini ipad I have has the inbuilt GPS chip. It is the cellular model that has the ability to be used as a GPS without internet use.

    Yes, the cellular unit has the GPS chip, which can function without using cellular access.

  • 69. Re: Does iPad mini Wifi come with GPS
    Dah•veed Level 7 Level 7 (30,305 points)

    There is nothing in the description of the navigation features available with a cellular iPad mini and iOS 7 that requires it to have a wi-fi connection as you insist.

  • 70. Re: Does iPad mini Wifi come with GPS
    rockmyplimsoul Level 5 Level 5 (5,495 points)

    I don't know about other apps, but Navigon has separate apps per region (check the App Store). If you buy one region and want to add another, you have to buy another version of the app, I don't think you can buy an add-on region at a lower price.  But shop around, Navigon has several variations but there are many other products to choose from.

  • 71. Re: Does iPad mini Wifi come with GPS
    Philly_Phan Level 6 Level 6 (11,705 points)

    rockmyplimsoul wrote:

     

    I don't know about other apps, but Navigon has separate apps per region (check the App Store). If you buy one region and want to add another, you have to buy another version of the app, I don't think you can buy an add-on region at a lower price.  But shop around, Navigon has several variations but there are many other products to choose from.

    It's actually the same app but the region determines which map(s) are included with the app purchase.  However, since the maps are not available separately, my point is moot.

  • 72. Re: Does iPad mini Wifi come with GPS
    Philly_Phan Level 6 Level 6 (11,705 points)

    rockmyplimsoul wrote:

     

    willyjp wrote:

     

    But how does it initially "find" me when I turn my wi-fi on??

    Because your IP address is registered in a database with the coordinates of your router.

    That's not exactly correct.  The problem is that your router might not be in the database or might have an incorrect location indicated.  The technique that's used is known as "crowdsourcing."  A WiFi-only device will consider the registered location of ALL routers within reach, regardless of whether you're using to pass data and also regardless of whether they're locked.  It then uses artificial intelligence to decide where you're actually located.

  • 73. Re: Does iPad mini Wifi come with GPS
    Alancito Level 6 Level 6 (10,860 points)

    Frances ~ Welcome to the Support Communities.

    malfran wrote:

     

    Do i need to purchase a map app with stored maps for this to work in the UK? (...) So I need to purchase a navigation app like Navigon? to get it to work.

    No. For confirmation, see this previous post.

     

    On a related note, check out this app called Streets — it's a "street view" app which integrates into Apple's Maps app:

     

    http://www.futuretap.com/apps/streets-en/

     

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  • 74. Re: Does iPad mini Wifi come with GPS
    malfran Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Thanks everyone for the help. I have worked it out. I tried a free navigation program for Australia which was OK, not as sophisticated as the Garmin type, but it worked in my car with NO INTERNET or WIFI!. So I have now purchased the $34 Navigon maps of British Isles. Cross my fingers these will help me get around England next week in the hire car! Thanks once again. I might add that the mini ipad E book does not mention anything about the inbuilt navigation chip in the cellular model. Not very helpful for non computer type mums like me who are trying to work out how to use the thing. Even did an Apple workshop last week and the staff there knew nothing about it!

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