Currently Being ModeratedJun 24, 2013 4:29 PM (in response to Darrell R Coe)
You are correct. Try this:
How to Perform an Archive and Install
An Archive and Install will NOT erase your hard drive, but you must have sufficient free space for a second OS X installation which could be from 3-9 GBs depending upon the version of OS X and selected installation options. The free space requirement is over and above normal free space requirements which should be at least 6-10 GBs. Read all the linked references carefully before proceeding.
1. Be sure to use Disk Utility first to repair the disk before performing the Archive and Install.
Repairing the Hard Drive and Permissions
Boot from your OS X Installer disc. After the installer loads select your language and click on the Continue button. When the menu bar appears select Disk Utility from the Installer menu (Utilities menu for Tiger, Leopard or Snow Leopard.) After DU loads select your hard drive entry (mfgr.'s ID and drive size) from the the left side list. In the DU status area you will see an entry for the S.M.A.R.T. status of the hard drive. If it does not say "Verified" then the hard drive is failing or failed. (SMART status is not reported on external Firewire or USB drives.) If the drive is "Verified" then select your OS X volume from the list on the left (sub-entry below the drive entry,) click on the First Aid tab, then click on the Repair Disk button. If DU reports any errors that have been fixed, then re-run Repair Disk until no errors are reported. If no errors are reported click on the Repair Permissions button. Wait until the operation completes, then quit DU and return to the installer. Now restart normally.
If DU reports errors it cannot fix, then you will need Disk Warrior and/or Tech Tool Pro to repair the drive. If you don't have either of them or if neither of them can fix the drive, then you will need to reformat the drive and reinstall OS X.
2. Do not proceed with an Archive and Install if DU reports errors it cannot fix. In that case use Disk Warrior and/or TechTool Pro to repair the hard drive. If neither can repair the drive, then you will have to erase the drive and reinstall from scratch.
3. Boot from your OS X Installer disc. After the installer loads select your language and click on the Continue button. When you reach the screen to select a destination drive click once on the destination drive then click on the Option button. Select the Archive and Install option. You have an option to preserve users and network preferences. Only select this option if you are sure you have no corrupted files in your user accounts. Otherwise leave this option unchecked. Click on the OK button and continue with the OS X Installation.
4. Upon completion of the Archive and Install you will have a Previous System Folder in the root directory. You should retain the PSF until you are sure you do not need to manually transfer any items from the PSF to your newly installed system.
5. After moving any items you want to keep from the PSF you should delete it. You can back it up if you prefer, but you must delete it from the hard drive.
6. You can now download a Combo Updater directly from Apple's download site to update your new system to the desired version as well as install any security or other updates. You can also do this using Software Update.
Currently Being ModeratedJun 25, 2013 11:00 PM (in response to Kappy)
First, thank you for responding to my case. My computer is a B/W PPC G3 to G4) desktop using 10.4.11 Tiger. I was going to try to use the Install and Archive procedure. I followed your guidelines. and used the DU; the S.M.A.R.T status was verified and I performed repair disk several times before getting a "No repairs necessary"statement. No repairs were needed for permissions. Then performed the Install and Archive procedure per your guidelines. I attempted the Install a couple times because I received a message wanting to know if I wanted to "Try Again" because of of an install error. I used the DU to repair the Hard drive after each Try Again. After the third try, I received a "Disk 1 completed" and insert DIsk 2. Four times the system asked if I wanted to try and install again because of an install error. There does not seem to be anything visually wrong with my install disks; no scratches or marks. I have received more than three or four notices to restart my computer by holding down the power button while pushing the restart button. I am thinking about erasing/reformatting my HD but am unable to reinsert Disk 1 because the system keeps asking for DISK 2
I'm thinking there is a corruption somewhere and it is preventing the Install and Archive procedure. I am stuck not able to go forward or back
Currently Being ModeratedJun 25, 2013 11:09 PM (in response to Darrell R Coe)
Try the following:
If possible insert Disc 1 into the optical drive. Shutdown the computer. Wait about five minutes, then boot as follows:
Booting From An OS X Installer Disc
1. Insert OS X Installer Disc into the optical drive.
2. Restart the computer.
3. Immediately after the chime press and hold down the "C" key.
4. Release the key when the spinning gear below the dark gray Apple
5. Wait for installer to finish loading.
Now, follow this procedure:
Drive Partition and Format
1. After the installer loads select your language and click on the Continue button. When the menu bar appears select Disk Utility from the Utilities menu. After DU loads select your hard drive (this is the entry with the mfgr.'s ID and size) from the left side list. Click on the Partition tab in the DU main window.
2. Under the Volume Scheme heading set the number of partitions from the drop down menu to one. Click on the Options button, set the partition scheme to GUID then click on the OK button. Set the format type to Mac OS Extended (Journaled.) Click on the Partition button and wait until the process has completed.
3. Select the volume you just created (this is the sub-entry under the drive entry) from the left side list. Click on the Erase tab in the DU main window.
4. Set the format type to Mac OS Extended (Journaled.) Click on the Security button, check the button for Zero Data and click on OK to return to the Erase window.
5. Click on the Erase button. The format process can take up to several hours depending upon the drive size.
6. When the formatting is completed quit DU and return to the installer. Install OS X.
Currently Being ModeratedJun 26, 2013 12:56 PM (in response to Darrell R Coe)
I was able to insert Disk 1 into my computer. At the next startup ( waited 20 minutes after inserting Disk 1), I held the 'C'key for4 minutesand I never received the spinning gear below the Apple. The next time I restarted I did not hold down the C key and the system asked me to insert Disk 2, which progressed to a notice asking me to Try loading again. Any other recommendations?
Currently Being ModeratedJun 27, 2013 11:15 AM (in response to Kappy)
eset PRAM, Boot up Apple doubled in size, spinning gear appeared and Insert Disk 2 notice appeared. Shut down down computer; inserted Disk 1; rebooted holding down C Key; held for 3 minutes-> no spinning gear--> no select language box.
I am at a loss, what options are left?
Currently Being ModeratedJun 29, 2013 9:37 AM (in response to Kappy)
Other than the obvious, which is my problem, unable to to proceed with the Archive and Install and access the DU on Disk 1. Are you saying the reset of the PRAM was not successful? Are there any other obvious signs that the PRAM battery is dead? I know I have never changed the battery before. Is there a life expectancy for the battery?
Currently Being ModeratedJun 29, 2013 12:30 PM (in response to Darrell R Coe)
Yes, there is a life expectancy, and yours has far exceeded it by now. There are various signs of a dead battery. Failure to startup is one, no video is another. Now, this may be the problem but it could also just as easily be a bad drive or some other hardware failure.
Currently Being ModeratedJun 29, 2013 4:30 PM (in response to Kappy)
Thanks for getting back to me. I found a 350G Hard drive I installed in a G3 iMac years ago. I am going to to visit an Apple Store Monday and going to purchase/swap out the PRAM battery before replacing the HD and do another PRAM reset to see if that does the trick
Currently Being ModeratedJun 29, 2013 6:07 PM (in response to Darrell R Coe)
I do not know your model of battery. You may be able to get the battery cheaper at owc.
How you replace the battery depends on the model.
Here is a picture of the battery that you may need. Verify from the pictures on the web page.
Does the machine boot from a cd/dvd? Probably not the battery if so. I'd lean toward a bad HD.