Currently Being ModeratedJun 26, 2013 5:53 AM (in response to mcira)
Are you 100% sure that the Icy Dock is designed for the 2009 model? seem to recall there were two sizes.
Link to the one you bought (OWC, Amazon, etc)
Also it is worth putting yours on a PCIe SSD card to get full 6G from it.
Most go for just the OS and apps on theirs, maybe use others for scratch, meaning a 240GB is a fine tradeoff in size and price (120GB is actually enough).
I am trying to recall if Samsung CD it came with which has Windows utilities (to test, setup, update firmware) also includes Mac versions.
Currently Being ModeratedJun 26, 2013 6:44 AM (in response to The hatter)
Hey hatter, thanks for your reply! I bought from the German amazon:
The Icy Tray fits nicely into the bay and the connection slots are at the same position as the native hdds, so I'm assuming it should be fine for this model.
There's a CD that came with the SSD, but it only has Windows installers.
I'm in music production, so I want to use the SSDs to load huge sample libraries more quickly. But you're right, for the system hd I might as well use a smaller one.
How much more performance would the PCIe card give me? Considering it costs as much as a 256GB SSD would?
Currently Being ModeratedJun 26, 2013 6:57 AM (in response to mcira)
Audio library is perfect use for SSD, I doubt it needs 900MB/sec, the high IOPS and near-zero seeks and latency won't be that much better.
There is a cheaper Sonnet Tempo non-Pro card that is half the price. It means it isn't use a drive bay just in case you have other uses for one. The Pro card is aimed at RAID and has dual controller chips. http://sonnettech.com/product/tempossd.html
You can directly attach the SSD to the backplane and use something to hold it in place and confirm it shows up. Some people have as I said had trouble with some Icy Docks.
Currently Being ModeratedJun 26, 2013 7:11 AM (in response to The hatter)
I have had some success mounting a "bare" SSD in a 2009 model with one DVD-mounting screw, a washer, and double-stick tape.
Remove the two screws-with-rubber-gaskets on the left (as installed) side of the sled and set aside. In the outboard position, install the DVD-mounting screw and washer loosely through the sled and into the appropriate mounting hole on the SSD drive. Place double stick tape across the other hole on that side. Tighten down the DVD-mounting screw, taking care that the drive is aligned side-to-side on the sled and as far toward the outboard end as possible.
Use a flashlight and guide the sled-with-SSD into an open slot. Once you are certain that it is mating, press it home. It may protrude slightly more that a standard drive with this setup, but not more than 1/8 inch more.Mac Pro (Early 2009), Mac OS X (10.6.8), & Server, PPC, & AppleTalk Printers
Currently Being ModeratedJun 26, 2013 7:14 AM (in response to mcira)
What Apple and Samsung are doing in the PCIe SSD dept:
Not that Sonnet is up to it, the 6.1 surely seeing what is being used in new MacBook Air and 2014 - as OEMs are taken care of and production increases, should be more mainstream retail. But you can see some of that now.
Currently Being ModeratedJun 26, 2013 8:52 AM (in response to The hatter)
Okay, I'm gonna try the cheaper Sonnet PCIe and offset the additional cost by getting a smaller SSD for the system drive. I'll let you know how it works out, and, if everything's golden, give you the "green checkmark". :-)
Thanks, Grant, for your suggestion as well, I'm just not enough of a tinkerer to try that.
Currently Being ModeratedJun 26, 2013 9:02 AM (in response to mcira)
An SSD for the system was the best $100 I invested in mine.
I use the cheaper Sonnet card for image library on the card (the card does not support booting older Mac like mine unfortunately).
Booting from the card - just move the system or clone it and set it as boot volume. Some users said it added to the boot time, I don't see that though.
Samsung recommended (using it on Windows) to allocate 11% of the SSD for over-provisioning - and I would err on the side of having as much free space (or more) of free space cells as data written. Plus use TRIM Enabler 2.x (you want it, and you want another boot drive as well to invoke TRIM).
The combination of your audio tracks and libraries on SSD should be nice. Having the system - I really don't know but that may be fine using stock SATA II drive bays.
Oh, and it really is easy and no big thing to plug the SSD into the socket. My Mac Pro is on its side laying down, makes a nice flat space for a scanner - and access - and used a piece of tape to hold it. Using the optical drive bay is easy and can lay loose. And just to check to insure it is the Dock or not and to get it formatted. Or wait for the Sonnet Tempo to arrive.
Currently Being ModeratedJun 26, 2013 12:37 PM (in response to The hatter)
Thanks again for the info. I don't fully understand this statement: "you want another boot drive as well to invoke TRIM". Am I supposed to have two boot drives? Is one TRIM Enabler on one boot drive not enough to cover multiple SSDs in the system?
Currently Being ModeratedJun 26, 2013 12:54 PM (in response to mcira)
Everyone needs to clone and have bootable backups.
ML Recovery won't have TRIM installed.
You needed in the past to have your own emergency maintenance system, has not changed.
Before you updated to say 10.8.4 did you not provide for and have 10.8.3 working backup handy just in case the update did not go well, or .4 broke your software or hardware.
You can't repair the drive you booted, you can't pick yourself up by your own bootstraps is still true, hence the need to have a 2nd (or 3rd) to do so.
TechTool Pro 4 added their own hidden "eDrive" feature (command e on startup to invoke) and no one I know would boot from and use (out of date, slower) DVDs for repairs like Disk Warrior or others and DVD/CD are not recommeded for running Mac OS X anyway, we'd have a small handy system (the cleaner the better, with no extras, basically Apple OS along with utilities).
Before you clone, install TRIM Enabler!And after you clone, run Disk Utility's REPAIR DISK on the SSD -- just to be on the safest side.
Currently Being ModeratedJun 26, 2013 5:13 PM (in response to The hatter)
I'm planning on doing a fresh install on the SSD with the current harddrive turning into my backup boot disk. I additionally have a bootable partition on my Time Machine hdd, and if all fails I still have my Snow Leopard discs. ;-)
But if I understand you correctly, the (future) backup boot hdd should also have Trim Enabler installed, correct?
Currently Being ModeratedJun 26, 2013 5:24 PM (in response to mcira)
If you run Disk Utility (Repair Disk) on an SSD, and you are running it from a full system with TRIM Enabler installed (not just Recovery_HD) you get an additional line of output that says it all:
"Trimming Unused Blocks"
The first time you see that, and it pauses for, say, a minute before proceeding, you will say, "I want that!"
.Mac Pro (Early 2009), Mac OS X (10.6.8), & Server, PPC, & AppleTalk Printers
Currently Being ModeratedJul 5, 2013 6:18 AM (in response to mcira)
Alright, after delivery delays the Sonnet Tempo SSD finally arrived, and my Mac Pro is recognizing the SSD! Thank you again for the tips!
Boot-up time went from 1:30 to about 50 seconds, so that's definitely an improvement.
I have one more related question: the Sonnet card would let me mount two SSDs. Assuming there's a data transfer bottleneck, how much would I compromise if I use two in one PCIe slot? It would be a System SSD, and one for audio sample libraries.
On the packaging of the Sonnet card, there's a graphic titled "Tempo SSD read performance": It shows one SSD having 470 MB/s and two SSDs having 660 MB/s. Does that mean, if I get another Sonnet card for the other SSD, that I'd get 960 MB/s (2x 470)?
I'm also confused what the 6 GB/s SATA PCIe means in this context. Which throughput values are the relevant ones?
Currently Being ModeratedJul 5, 2013 6:44 AM (in response to mcira)
Only an issue if you are in a stripe array would using two bottleneck.
There is no benefit putting the system on the Tempo. It takes longer to boot, you don't really gain or see any real improvement in performance. leave it in SATA II drive bay and use two SSDs on the Tempo for projects. Instead of an array you could try with JBOD - combine the drives capacity but not in a RAID0.
There is a bottleneck in the 2009 4,1 4x slots
If you want 900MB/sec buy / exchange and get the Tempo Pro instead.
The ideal is to buy the Sonnet Pro card which caps out 500-ish per SSD, or 900 for two (in an array).
People have used two Pro models with 4 x 500GB SSD and get around 1800MB/sec in a Mac Pro 5,1.
For $2200 or so that is actually very nice. Old SCSI sets of olde would spend that on SCSI controller, cables, drives, cases, and get less.
Currently Being ModeratedJul 5, 2013 7:18 AM (in response to The hatter)
Hey, thanks again for the quick replies. So if I understood you correctly, if I want to increase system performance, I'd have to put the corresponding SSD in a drive bay. Then I still have the issue of finding a dock converter that lets my Mac Pro 4,1 recognize the SSD. Can you recommend any for this?