Currently Being ModeratedJun 26, 2013 10:14 PM (in response to Ramón G Castañeda)
I'll assume that you didn't have those 4 drives connected to an Ultra ATA-133 PCI controller card. If I were installing a single hard drive in a G4 MDD, I'd mount it in the rear carrier. That enables a direct connection to the faster onboard ATA-100 bus. Drives in the front bay are typically connected to the slower onboard ATA-66 bus.
Currently Being ModeratedJun 26, 2013 10:39 PM (in response to Jeff)
Thanks, that's a great start.
Does it make any difference as to which of the two carriers in that rear cage?
Also, any difference whether the jumper is set to master, slave or select if I only have the one drive left in the machine?
Again, I just want to get it running so I can sell the G4, give it away or donate it.
I'll assume that you didn't have those 4 drives connected to an Ultra ATA-133 PCI controller card…
I ordered the machine direct from Apple and it came with the four HDs already installed. I always assumed they were ordinary IDE/PATA drives, and I never added any "Ultra ATA-133 PCI controller card".
Last time I had opened that machine, I took out the two HDs in the front cage and put them in external housings to attach to a G5 Quad, I think one by FW and the other one by USB2, but maybe both enclosures were FW, not sure at this point. Curiously, the G4 never booted up after that and I just blamed it on a dead Li battery, but wasn't sure whether the two remaining drives were connected properly or if jumpers had to be repositioned.
Currently Being ModeratedJun 26, 2013 10:44 PM (in response to Ramón G Castañeda)
I don't know your reasons for selling it but make sure you really no longer have a need for it
It can do service as a file or print server, a simple machine for the kids, backup in case another mac fails, etc. Just throwing that out there as i have seen a lot of old Macs being thrown out for wrong reasons.
This might also be useful: http://appleserialnumberinfo.com/Desktop/TnR/Tips/PPC/PPC.php
Currently Being ModeratedJun 26, 2013 11:41 PM (in response to jayv.)
Thanks for the tips and the link.
One reason to keep the G4 is that it can still boot into straight, native Mac OS 9.2 as well as OS X.
But now I find myself with a Mac Pro desktop, a G5 Quad, the MDD G4, a beige MiniTower G3 with a G4 ZIF upgrade, an Intel MacBook, a MacBook Air and a Windoze Toshiba laptop. My wife has an Intel Mac Mini, and the two of us are alone in the house. All three "kids" are grown ups now.
The beige Mini Tower is the only one that will let me use use the ADB QuarkXPress Passport dongle between the ADB keyboard and the machine.
Thank you nfor mentioning the print server possibility. I'll see what advantages there are to that.
Currently Being ModeratedJun 26, 2013 11:49 PM (in response to Jeff)
Are you sure about the faster 100 MHz bus speeds on the rear drive carriers?
I have had a G4 MDD for 10 years and have done many upgrades to this over the years and never, EVER knew this.
I have only two internal HDs installed. You mean, I could've put my everyday boot hard drive on the faster bus and select that drive as my regular boot drive?
Does the Master/slave relationship, when connecting these back up, change or stay the same? Would my preferred boot HD on the faster, 100 MHz bus, in the rear carriage, need to be set as the Master drive?
Currently Being ModeratedJun 26, 2013 11:58 PM (in response to MichelPM)
I think Jeff is right about the rear bay being the faster one. On the OWC instrucion video they refer to it as "the best one" or "the fast one", not sure.
Currently Being ModeratedJun 27, 2013 11:44 AM (in response to MichelPM)
Yes - the faster Ultra ATA-100 bus connection is at the rear of the motherboard and the connections for the two slower buses (Ultra ATA-66 for additional hard drives and ATA-33 for optical drives) are located near the left front corner (ATA-33 on the left and ATA-66 on the right). From EveryMac.com's description of the 1.25 GHz DP model: "It has four internal 3.5" drive bays -- two Ultra ATA/66 and two Ultra ATA/100 -- intended for hard drives and two external 5.25" drive bays intended for optical drives."
Currently Being ModeratedJun 27, 2013 12:34 PM (in response to Jeff)
I might swap my main boot drive from that Mac and move it the rear carriers and hook it up to 100 MHz bus connection. Hopefully this will work out.
Currently Being ModeratedJun 28, 2013 1:29 AM (in response to Jeff)
Any comments on the two unanswered questions:
• Does it make any difference as to which of the two carriers in that rear cage?
• Also, any difference whether the jumper is set to master, slave or select if I only have the one drive left in the machine?
Currently Being ModeratedJun 28, 2013 10:41 AM (in response to Ramón G Castañeda)
I'd mount a single hard drive in the bottom of the carrier, so it is closer to the chassis wall. This provides more separation between the processor heatsink and the top of the hard drive - both of which give off heat. Even with the lower fan blowing across the heatsink and providing air circulation to the rear of the case, I'd still prefer keeping as much space between them. Since the G4 MDDs support Cable Select, take advantage of the convenience it provides. It was designed for ease of assembly for system builders, whereby each drive - HDD or optical - could be configured the same and without regard for the actual mounting position in the case. With a ribbon cable supporting Cable Select, the detection or non-detection of a ground signal at pin 28 enables the drive to self-configure as master or slave respectively. When you're assembling hundreds of units, this speeds up the process significantly.
Currently Being ModeratedJun 28, 2013 3:18 PM (in response to Jeff)
Thank you, Jeff. You have now solved my question in its entirety.