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Where did RSS go in Safari 6???

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  • dsecrist Calculating status...
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    Jun 30, 2013 11:01 AM (in response to ZORGALISCIOUS)

    OK.  Screw Apple on this.  I've switched to Chrome and am using Feedly for all my feeds, its almost as simple to use as Safari was, and is much, much, better than Google Reader or the dozen other apps I've tried since this went down. Adios discussion.

  • CT Level 6 Level 6 (15,035 points)
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    Jun 30, 2013 11:25 AM (in response to dsecrist)

    AMF, baby!

  • RollZeppelin Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Jun 30, 2013 5:17 PM (in response to ZORGALISCIOUS)

    Yes, I too am interested in getting the answer to that question? Why does it is seem like the longer I go along as a passive user of Apple products, and Mac software that I am buying less and less for each iteration of whatever the product maybe. For instance, in this case RSS is no longer available in a recent version of 'MAIL' the 'Bounce' program was shelved, long ago Jeeves was removed.. Why?

  • CT Level 6 Level 6 (15,035 points)
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    Jun 30, 2013 5:51 PM (in response to RollZeppelin)

    I know!  Bring back MultiFinder!!

  • ubernaut Level 1 Level 1 (65 points)
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    Jun 30, 2013 5:56 PM (in response to CT)

    lol @CT that reminds me of soemthing i was looking for the other day you remember back when there was only one color icon i think it was it was called 32 (24?) bit color addressing was trying to find that icon of the prism rainbow but came up empty handed you dont know where i could find such a thing do you?

  • Glen M Level 2 Level 2 (270 points)
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    Jul 1, 2013 4:48 AM (in response to ZORGALISCIOUS)

    Apple is no longer the benevolent digital caretaker that once existed in the days of Steve Jobs’ Camelot, as proven by their current cheap ads, unimaginative products, and heartless actions. My blind friends loved RSS (and older OS X) for its predictable uniformity. I'd like to see Tim Cook use his iMac for just 10 minutes while blindfolded.

     

    When trying to understand anything created by a large organization (corporations, religions, governments, etc.), especially when they make an apparently irrational move, always follow the money. Slapping one helpless person is heartless, but slapping 100,000 helpless people is good business if it nets a profit.

     

    RSS was too much like having your spouse waking up before you do, saving only the good articles in a newspaper or magazine, and disposing of the ads and other tripe for you. From Apple’s perspective, and that of their morally vanquished allies, RSS eliminated potential revenue. Without it, you must wade through their barrage of advertising on webpages. This move to give you less information while completely consuming your valuable download data rate and desktop space with inane graphics is the digital equivalent of giving you 1.5 qts of ice cream in what used to be half gallon cartons at the same price. If my toilet paper gets any more “newer and fluffier with quilted pockets of air”, I’m going to scream. The next time you’re sitting there, paging through your analog People Magazine, compare the TPs paper tube with its holder’s spindle.  More air, less substance, is far cheaper than trying to come up with a new idea. By eliminating RSS, Apple has removed the scissors from your early morning Sugar Bear’s fingers, and forcing you to waste your time downloading their soulless garbage.

     

    While it is quite possible to imbed ads within articles, avoiding the morning scissors od RSS, these take extra effort on the publisher’s behalf, and still eliminates the potential revenue from the third party advertisers, such as Google with their “customized” ads. These people became billionaires by selling your information, their main source of income, and they don’t want to be cut out of this immense gold mine by your darling Sugar Bear before your first coffee.

     

    Money. Always follow the money.

    It’s funny to hear the uproar over 2 guys in 1 bed being a national threat, but total silence when big business (including health and gun industry), major religions, and law makers are the ones dangerously sleeping together behind closed doors. By removing RSS, Google can continue to sell us Preparation-H when THEIR thoroughly purchased Congress, once again, shoves it up our assertions.

  • CT Level 6 Level 6 (15,035 points)
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    Jul 1, 2013 7:02 AM (in response to Glen M)

    Wow.  I wish I had your problems.

  • etresoft Level 7 Level 7 (23,930 points)
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    Jul 1, 2013 7:56 AM (in response to Glen M)

    Are you perhaps not aware that not one single RSS feed has gone out of existence? Both Google and Apple have gotten rid of their RSS feed reading software for different reasons. So, instead of 132 RSS feed readers to choose from, there are only 130.

  • AppleSean Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Jul 1, 2013 2:16 PM (in response to Glen M)

    Glen,

     

    First off, I like that font, how did you get that working? Second, I think you are right about RSS and ADA. When I worked at Apple in HiEd marketing, we had several clients with visual impairments. RSS implementation was a simple and effective tool, which made navigating the web a little easier for those with visual impairments. I cannot stress enough that having simple RSS reader like that in my Safari 5.1.7 increases productivity greatly, and makes an otherwise cumbersome task [like finding the articles you want to read] much easier.

  • ubernaut Level 1 Level 1 (65 points)
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    Jul 1, 2013 2:22 PM (in response to Glen M)

    @Glen i do agree with alot of what you say but i don't agree with the conspiracy theory about 3rd party monetization. if that were true wouldn't they have also gotten rid of reader the sole prupose of which is to remove ads from webpages?

  • Bob Lyons Level 1 Level 1 (85 points)
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    Jul 2, 2013 11:20 AM (in response to Glen M)

    Glen, I think you nailed it. I had assumed carrying the rss feed had become a burden for Google, or an expense they wanted to drop. But no, it's about potential profit by not making it easy for us to skim headlines. Same with Apple. Now I understand their motives. Thank you

  • AppleSean Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Jul 2, 2013 1:11 PM (in response to Bob Lyons)

    I appreciate the conspiracy talk, of course – always good entertainment, but on the other hand, if it's all about monetization, etc. why introduce the feature (RSS support) in the first place? It's more than a bit frustrating – and a bit like hooking someone on crack then taking away the crackpipe. Moreover, the concept behind RSS is practical and ubiquitous, I don't see RSS going away in concept even if all of the readers disappeared.

  • Scyanide Level 1 Level 1 (30 points)
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    Jul 2, 2013 1:37 PM (in response to AppleSean)

    I'm just going to throw this out there for shiggles but maybe it wasn't about money. I know, I know, hear me out. What if Apple saw a decline in RSS usage and used that as an opportunity to drop support and clean up Safari a bit. Remove a little bloat to help decrease loading times, increase efficency, etc. With the Mac App Store, there is proof there is a market for RSS clients far beyond what Apple was maybe willing to include in their browser. So they drop it opening the market up for third party developers to make a good buck and we get a slimmer browser in return.

     

    I kind of see it as a win/win.

     

    You have people that ***** and moan of bloat, memory usage, etc yet opitmizations can only go so far and the only true way of making something more optimized is to remove functionality that contains the least amount of user usage. Apple seems to have gone that route. I actually like how much faster and slimmer Safari has become over the last few versions. There is a very rich third-party market full of amazing clients that go above and beyond what RSS support in Safari ever did. This is their chance to shine.

     

    ..or

     

    Maybe it was about money. Think about it. RSS support in Safari brought in 0 revenue for Apple (Google is a different story). Dropping RSS support opens up the market on OS X for the third-party RSS clients. Apple takes their 30% cut from the sales of these clients. Now they have a revenue from RSS.

     

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  • neil456 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Jul 3, 2013 6:56 AM (in response to AppleSean)

    AppleSean wrote:

     

    I appreciate the conspiracy talk, of course – always good entertainment, but on the other hand, if it's all about monetization, etc. why introduce the feature (RSS support) in the first place? It's more than a bit frustrating – and a bit like hooking someone on crack then taking away the crackpipe. Moreover, the concept behind RSS is practical and ubiquitous, I don't see RSS going away in concept even if all of the readers disappeared.

     

    But now, consider this, is Apple a trend setter or a follower.  Of course there is no conspiracy, but when Apple and Google both drop RSS, guess what the web site owners are going to do when it comes time to pay to establish and maintain an RSS feed?  Then when the web developers say, you know there is no way to monitize an RSS feed, no amount of "practical and ubiquitous" is going to matter. 

     

    I monitor everything that I care about via RSS and every week feeds are dropping off, or merging and becomming less informative.  For example, Yahoo just cuts their RSS feed text off in mid sentance.

     

    And to answer your other question, why introduce RSS in the first place?  RSS was introduced at a time when supporting web standards was important to gain marketshare.  Now that Apple has market share, they just don't need the same approach.

  • ubernaut Level 1 Level 1 (65 points)
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    Jul 3, 2013 7:40 AM (in response to neil456)

    @neil456 i think it is highly unlikely rss tech is going anywhere anytime soon for one thing rss is how pdcasts work for another wordpress has not shyed away from rss at all and a good 20% or so of websites are built on that tech. while there are certainly sites are dropping support for the open tech rss represents there are also sites which are adding rss every day. google has dropped support for their reader app/service but they are still generating custom rss feeds for any search, also yotube channel pages still publicly advertize their rss feeds so i'd say it's a stretch to say they are dropping the tech.

     

    i could be crazy but a lot of the people i been following on twitter have been especially quiet ever since twitter dropped support for rss. it's possible we arent alone in valuing this rss. one can always hope anyway.

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