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  • zachi Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Jul 1, 2013 11:50 PM (in response to MacMiniPro)

    @ MacMiniPro

    good post, thanks!

     

    they should just call it mac ive, and run it besides an updated pro line

    i really hope they come to their senses if the rant is big enough

  • MacMiniPro Calculating status...
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    Jul 2, 2013 5:32 AM (in response to Ziatron)

    Ziatron wrote:

     

    I'd take the 3.5GHz 6 core over the 2.7GHz 12 any day.

     

    Tell us why, please.

     

    MUCH higher raw GHz. That means everything not heavily optimized for multi-cores will be significantly faster, the machine will "feel" faster in casual use and it is significantly cheaper (top-end 12 core 2.7GHz will likely be over $2000 by itself while the 6 core 3.5GHz will likely be about $1000 based on the Sandy Bridge E5 pricing).

     

    Are you saying that in late 2013 Dell may say "Twice is fast as the fastest Mac"?

    There is no reason they couldn't, especially since they are hurting for business and need any edge they can get.

  • Ziatron Level 4 Level 4 (3,255 points)
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    Jul 2, 2013 5:24 PM (in response to MacMiniPro)

    MUCH higher raw GHz. That means everything not heavily optimized for multi-cores will be significantly faster, the machine will "feel" faster in casual use and it is significantly cheaper (top-end 12 core 2.7GHz will likely be over $2000 by itself while the 6 core 3.5GHz will likely be about $1000 based on the Sandy Bridge E5 pricing).

     

    I ask this because some in our organization want to purchase a few Mac Pros before they are discontinued. Others plan to switch to Windows. No one wants to buy the Mac Cylinder.

     

    We do video editing using iMovie 06 and iDVD 09/11.   We were considering purchasing 12 core machines, but perhaps we will switch to 6 core after your advice.

  • Patrick Hernalsteen Calculating status...
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    Jul 3, 2013 12:36 AM (in response to Ziatron)

    If even the iMovie guys don't want the new MacPro, there is a problem for Apple.

  • Marsdy Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Jul 3, 2013 3:32 AM (in response to Patrick Hernalsteen)

    Who REALLY needs support for 3x 4K displays at this point in time? This should be an optional extra but Apple are making the arrogant assumption that it knows what is best for it's users. I think Apple may have a Mac Cube like turkey on it's hands. How much is ONE 4K monitor going to cost let alone three?

     

    HP are already making a 16 core workstation. What if it puts TWO of the new Mac Pro Intel CPU's in a box with space for lots of expansion? However much I like OSX, I'm looking at Pro Tools all day, NOT the operating system. The Windows vs. OSX war is as pointless as it is academic to me. Both are bloatware operating systems these days full of pointless guff only of interest to geeks who liking fiddling with bloatware. The OS is just the track my app trains run on. Having both Macs AND a PC in my studio I'm OS agnostic these days. It pays to be pragmatic rather than partisan. Even though my heart says Mac, I have work to do and the new MacPro is NOT the machine for the job.

  • Grant Bennet-Alder Level 8 Level 8 (48,110 points)
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    Jul 3, 2013 7:31 AM (in response to Marsdy)

    Who REALLY needs support for 3x 4K displays at this point in time?

    There is no requirement to install 4K monitors. That is an upper limit to its capabilities. The current Mac Pro supports multiple 30" cinema displays, but most users do not feel obligated to install them "just because you can".

     

    Isn't it nice to know that the graphics capabilities will not be a bottleneck for a long time. Any foreseeable display can be supported.

    Mac Pro (Early 2009), Mac OS X (10.6.8), & Server, PPC, & AppleTalk Printers
  • salty777 Level 3 Level 3 (540 points)
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    Jul 3, 2013 7:31 AM (in response to MacMiniPro)

    Is there anything out there to watch on it yet???

  • MacMiniPro Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)
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    Jul 3, 2013 7:45 AM (in response to salty777)

    4K screens in  professional use are more about real-estate than video resolution. You can have an edit and output of 1080p video in full resolution on the same screen along with the controls at the same time. No separate output monitor as is common now.

  • zachi Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Jul 3, 2013 8:23 AM (in response to MacMiniPro)

    seems like the mac ive has been designed to fit one specific tiny user group while all others have been forgotten.

  • Marsdy Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Jul 3, 2013 8:56 AM (in response to Grant Bennet-Alder)

    There is no requirement to install 4K monitors. That is an upper limit to its capabilities. The current Mac Pro supports multiple 30" cinema displays, but most users do not feel obligated to install them "just because you can".

     

    Isn't it nice to know that the graphics capabilities will not be a bottleneck for a long time. Any foreseeable display can be supported.

     

    The trouble is, 3x 4K monitor support is a VERY expensive solution. Apple is expecting us to fork out a LOT of money for functionality that SOME people MIGHT need somewhere down the line. In other words, Apple should have put 4K support on an optional graphics card in a PCIe slot. Or in yet more words, most of us will be paying for something we DON'T need and MANY of us won't be getting what we DO need from a pro worktation, i.e. PCIe slots, drive expansion, more RAM slots, graphics solutions that suit our individual needs and so on...

     

    I for one will not be paying for functioanlity I won't use, let alone all the mass of external iClutter I will have to add to make the new Mac Pro functional for my needs.

     

    seems like the mac ive has been designed to fit one specific tiny user group while all others have been forgotten.

     

    Indeed...

  • Allan Eckert Level 8 Level 8 (39,370 points)
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    Jul 3, 2013 9:06 AM (in response to Marsdy)

    I love it.

     

    For years Apple has been raked over the coals for being a day late and dollar short on graphics.

     

    They now say that their next release of the Mac Pro will have state of the art graphics.

     

    So now they are getting raked over the coals for that.

     

    IMHO the fact that is being ignored is that any excess processing power of the graphics cards can be using to assist the CPU. It isn't just for pretty pictures any more.

     

    Allan

  • Grant Bennet-Alder Level 8 Level 8 (48,110 points)
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    Jul 3, 2013 9:16 AM (in response to Marsdy)

    Marsdy-

     

     

    First you say it should not have any capabilities beyond exactly the set you want.

     

    Then when they give you massive expansion capabilities that are optional, you disparage that as well.

     

    Make up your mind. All I am hearing from you is that what you want is, "not that new Mac Pro". Ok. I get it. You hate the new Mac Pro.

     

    You could push the discussion forward by laying out exactly what YOUR ideal design would look like, and why it would be better than what you are being offered.

    Mac Pro (Early 2009), Mac OS X (10.6.8), & Server, PPC, & AppleTalk Printers
  • zachi Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Jul 3, 2013 9:32 AM (in response to Grant Bennet-Alder)

    Make up your mind. All I am hearing from you is that what you want is, "not that new Mac Pro". Ok. I get it. You hate the new Mac Pro.

     

    You could push the discussion forward by laying out exactly what YOUR ideal design would look like, and why it would be better than what you are being offered.

     

    thats very easy, because we already had a very good workstation system :

    the existing mac pro !!!

     

    - its internally expandable with standard parts, even pc graphic cards work

    - gives option for single or dual cpu models

    - does not clutter your desktop, because it fits neatly unter your table

    - fits a much bigger user base than the fancy mac ive semi pro computer

     

    just a motherboard / components refresh to the technology level of mid/end of 2013

    would habe been enough and would have made EVERYBODY happy !!!

  • Marsdy Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Jul 3, 2013 10:30 AM (in response to zachi)

    Make up your mind. All I am hearing from you is that what you want is, "not that new Mac Pro". Ok. I get it. You hate the new Mac Pro.

     

    You could push the discussion forward by laying out exactly what YOUR ideal design would look like, and why it would be better than what you are being offered.

     

    thats very easy, because we already had a very good workstation system :

    the existing mac pro !!!

     

    - its internally expandable with standard parts, even pc graphic cards work

    - gives option for single or dual cpu models

    - does not clutter your desktop, because it fits neatly unter your table

    - fits a much bigger user base than the fancy mac ive semi pro computer

     

    just a motherboard / components refresh to the technology level of mid/end of 2013

    would habe been enough and would have made EVERYBODY happy !!!

     

    EXACTLY.... Apple has gone from a perfectly functional pro workstation design to what is effectively a closed, non-upgradable chimney that requires heaps of noisy, costly outboard iClutter to be of any use to MANY of it's customers.

     

    I would be "upgrading" from one Mac Pro containing everything to an iChimney with only four RAM slots, an expensive 3 slot TB PCIe chassis, a TB five bay drive enclosure, all with horrid external power adpaters, and an external DVD/CD drive.

     

    Those Magma TB PCIe chassis are VERY noisy and I will have to find a no doubt expensive way of locating it in another room.

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