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  • 240. Re: The new Mac Pro
    FatMac>MacPro Level 4 Level 4 (2,380 points)

    Ziatron wrote:

     

    This is my point, it seems like people are guessing or estimating how many threads can be utilized. There is no way to really KNOW however.

     

    This is my problem in trying to decide whether we should purchase more 6 core, or 12 core Mac Pros before they are discontinued.

    You know best what software you use. Are there forums for that software in which you can raise that question? Or how about starting a new thread associating that software with use on the Mac Pro?

     

    In any case, since the long-term trend in software is to use more threads in more cores for more productivity, if your current software can be seen as already using all available threads in Activity Monitor, I bet the software will continue to follow the hardware in the future.

  • 241. Re: The new Mac Pro
    Allan Eckert Level 8 Level 8 (41,525 points)

    How about this for a new conspiracy theory?

     

    Apple has announced the new Mac Pro to start a run on the old Mac Pro before the introduction of the new one. Sounds like a win/win for Apple either way.

     

    Allan

  • 242. Re: The new Mac Pro
    Leslie Bell Level 2 Level 2 (340 points)

    We'll know soon enough. If they do the usual discounting of closeouts in the old line, then they aren't expecting or hoping for a run.

     

    I think they'll do the usual. The new Mac Pro isn't THAT radical or disappointing to most.

     

    What will be a win-win for everyone is if they do the usual discounting (which gives naysayers a chance to buy what THEY want, cheaper).

  • 243. Re: The new Mac Pro
    GSVNotInventedHere Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    We in Europe have not been able to buy new Mac Pro's since April as the current models are deemed 'unsafe' for the European market.

    Apparently you could damage your fingers if you stuck them in the fans?!?!?! and could get a shock off the front USB and Firewire ports?!?!?

    Also where is the Apple branding on the new MacPro?

  • 244. Re: The new Mac Pro
    Allan Eckert Level 8 Level 8 (41,525 points)

    Here I thought the US regulators had a lock on stupidity but the EU just out did them on idiocy with that one.

     

    Allan

  • 245. Re: The new Mac Pro
    Ziatron Level 4 Level 4 (3,265 points)

    if your current software can be seen as already using all available threads in Activity Monitor, I bet the software will continue to follow the hardware in the future.

     

    I am using Firefox to read this forum.  Activity Monitor is showing around 400 threads. I have no idea whether it is using all 12 cores. I don't see anything in Activity Monitor to tell me that software is using all available cores.

     

    One can speculate that in the future more cores will be utilized. I maintain that there is no tool to provide a definitive and definite answer whether a given piece of software can take advantage of additional processor power.

  • 246. Re: The new Mac Pro
    Ziatron Level 4 Level 4 (3,265 points)

    We in Europe have not been able to buy new Mac Pro's since April as the current models are deemed 'unsafe' for the European market.

     

    A while back I saw some British citizens loading up on Apple products here in the US.  They were purchasing Mac Pros (I assume customs officials in Britain will not confiscate this dangerous and banded item).

     

    They were also purchasing iPods.  They explained that the EU (not the user) determines the volume level of an iPod there.

  • 247. Re: The new Mac Pro
    Leslie Bell Level 2 Level 2 (340 points)

    Ziatron wrote:

     

    I am using Firefox to read this forum.  Activity Monitor is showing around 400 threads. I have no idea whether it is using all 12 cores. I don't see anything in Activity Monitor to tell me that software is using all available cores.

     

    One can speculate that in the future more cores will be utilized. I maintain that there is no tool to provide a definitive and definite answer whether a given piece of software can take advantage of additional processor power.

     

    Those aren't PROCESSOR threads, they are APPLICATION threads.

     

    Open Activity Monitor. Go to Window in the top menu and click on either CPU Usage (apple-2) (my personal favorite)

     

    OR

     

    Floating CPU window either horizontal or vertical. (apple-4 or apple-5)

     

    CPU usage gives you a professional looking gauge with blue bars that will have the total number of dual processor threads on your machine. I have 24 in mine, a 6 core will have 12 bars. When you fire something up that will use all the threads, they will peak and stay there. Thea Render does this if you set it for 24 threads. They have a demo version... it comes automatically set to use all the core threads of your computer.

     

    The floating CPU window looks like something left over from an Atari computer. I don't recommend it although it is a bit smaller (and way harder to read).

     

    If you check keep cpu windows on top, they will float on top of all your applications, giving you a great view of how hard your computer is actually working.

     

    But that's where it's buried.... under the window menu.

     

    Hope this helps. Now fire up an application that you KNOW uses tons of computer overhead and watch the bars fill up.

     

    Another useful feature... you can completely close the activity window and just keep the gauges open.

  • 248. Re: The new Mac Pro
    zachi Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    sorry this "how many threads do i use" discussion is a bit useless.

    if you're asking yourself this question, a single processor mac is most likely fine for you.

     

    a dual mac pro does not feel faster at all in finder or adobe photoshop.

    just special apps like cinema4d or adobe after effects for example will really make use of all the cores. plus they only come in effect when u have longer calculating tasks like 3d rendering an image, encoding videos, etc. for all other tasks like just basic working with an app you dont notice the difference. so... if you just email, use iphoto, office, do some basic adobe app work etc... it is not worth to invest the extra $.

     

    otherwise if you work in the 3d visual or movie/video business you can cut your calculating tasks by half with a dual cpu machine. this is why i and others are so disapointed about the new mac "pro". these tasks can take hours, or weeks... so $1000 more for a computer does not matter if your work time is cut down to 50%.

    the outrage is so big because apple decided not to support users like me anymore. even if i hate it as ****, there is practially no other way left for me than to switch to windows in the coming 1-2 years.

  • 249. Re: The new Mac Pro
    Leslie Bell Level 2 Level 2 (340 points)

    zachi wrote:

     

    otherwise if you work in the 3d visual or movie/video business you can cut your calculating tasks by half with a dual cpu machine. this is why i and others are so disapointed about the new mac "pro". these tasks can take hours, or weeks... so $1000 more for a computer does not matter if your work time is cut down to 50%.

     

    sorry this "how many threads do i use" discussion is a bit useless.

     

    You know, just because you keep saying something doesn't make it true. Far wiser heads than BOTH of us have already told you your statements are incorrect, and that the new Mac Pro will, indeed, be faster when the entire package is considered.

     

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  • 250. Re: The new Mac Pro
    Don.Mac.iPhone4 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I still am (almost) speechless at all the talk of "I'm switching to WIndoze because the new MacPro doesn't have multiple CPUs".....

     

    The current model when maxed is a 2 CPU (6 cores each) 12-core machine

    The new MacPro is a 1 CPU 12-core machine

     

    That equals LESS OVERHEAD and FASTER PROCESSING

     

    What advantage do some of you think having the 2nd CPU is going to give you?  I'd love to see those answers....

    And how do you see that Apple is "no longer supporting users like me"?  I just don't get it.

     

    The advantage of a single chip 12-core processor is you don't have the overhead of keeping the 2 chips in sync with each other

     

    I am not a "Pro'.  But I have a 2 MacPros.  I do some video stuff on the side.. certainly nothing the size of releasing a full-length motion picture.  But the new MacPro is, if the pricing is right, a welcome relief.

     

    I'm not worried about "the cable mess" as so many have mentioned.  I already have 2 external RAID arrays, 3 external drives, plus a hard-drive dock stations.... so I already have a cable mess.  And this is in my home.

     

    Change comes.... relish it.  You might be surprised!!

  • 251. Re: The new Mac Pro
    Grant Bennet-Alder Level 8 Level 8 (49,250 points)

    GSVNotInventedHere-

     

    I get the gist of what you are tryiing to say.

     

    But the truth may be more comical than your hyperbole.

    could get a shock off the front USB and Firewire ports?!?!?

    Underwriters Laboratory regulations (in the US) require that you not be able to contact anything over 35Volts with your unaided fingers (no tools). If the door is removeable without tools, that goes for inside the box as well.

     

    If it does not meet that standard, it cannot carry the UL seal (which everyone in the US wants their products to carry).

     

    For UL rules, a simple Phillips screw counts as requiring "tools". Issuing the unit with a lock that requires a tool to open the side door latch would suffice to protect Users under UL rules.

     

    It was not clever to pull them off the market when a nut and bolt (that required tools to remove) through the existing lock-loop on the side door latch may have sufficed.

  • 252. Re: The new Mac Pro
    Bill Butler Level 2 Level 2 (180 points)

    Don.Mac.iPhone4 wrote:

     

    I still am (almost) speechless at all the talk of "I'm switching to WIndoze because the new MacPro doesn't have multiple CPUs".....

     

    [snip]

     

    I agree about being astonished to hear Mac users claim they'll jump to Windows because Apple released one diagreeable machine. I don't believe them. Switching to Win, even if all you have is one machine, is a lot more involved than just learning a different OS. You have to replace all your expensive software to run on Win. No way. Replacing the software on my computer (and I'm bare bones) would buy all the stuff I'd need for the new Mac Pro.

     

    Also, these MP users must at least have a Mac laptop, if not other Apple computers. Are they going to ditch those too? How about a fire sale of their Apple products along with their software? Dibs on their rendering programs.

     

    Mostly, though, I'm astonished that anyone looking at the new Mac Pro doesn't think they can't live with the old one. These things are upgradable, folks. And it's not like you can't run software on them anymore. You like the old Coke? Me too. Keep it. Keep that classic Mac Pro. For all you know it'll become the VW Bug of the auto world: a car that people hold onto for decades because it's built so well. We might have Mac Pro chassis in ten years stuffed with the latest motherboard, drives and graphics cards, just like a souped-up VW Bug beating a Porshe 911.

     

    I dislike the new MP. I think Apple stripped down its premier workstation to a consumer-level machine, albeit faster than regular consumers need. But that doesn't make me suddenly love Windows. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face.

  • 253. Re: The new Mac Pro
    Marsdy Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Change comes and it will come for me in the form of an Avid certified HP Workstation which will most likely have two of the porcessors Apple is putting in the Mac Pro. Any processing overhead would be entirely academic and as has been proven, Windows is more efficent at audio processing than OSX by some quite considerable margin.Most DAW apps are quite adept at distibuting load across cores these days anyway.

     

    I refuse in principle to pay for what for me and most other audio/music professionals is utterly redundant and very expensive 4K support. (I don't see many 4K TB displays around, there's yet another adapter I would need to buy.)

     

    I've already priced up the various expensive TB peripherals I would need... No way Apple.....

     

    I don't see one SINGLE advantage the new design has over the old one other than size, an advantage that instantly diminishes when I have to add all the TB crud I would need.

     

    The like of HP must be rubbing their hands with glee.

     

    Like I said, this is Apple's loss not mine... My loyalty to Apple is determined by products that are fit for my purpose not by unquestioneing brand loyalty and fundamentalism.

  • 254. Re: The new Mac Pro
    Tony DeLuca Level 1 Level 1 (80 points)

    Yes, this true, but the fact that they can't add a second processor is going to be a huge future issue. I can see it now in a few months when HP announces their new two processor, 24 core machine " twice as fast than the fastest Mac Pro". That's the real problem.

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