14 Replies Latest reply: Jul 7, 2013 9:21 PM by lancemokma
lancemokma Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

Hey guys,

 

I'm editing a small piece but want it to take the 16:9 footage and have it cut to 2:35. I've changed my sequence settings to do so (1920x816, square pixels), and in my display window, it changes properly. however, when i drop a clip in and say "no" to it making the sequence the same as the clip, it drops in the same ratio the clip is already (16:9), but housed WITHIN my 2:35 sequence...

 

What am I doing wrong here?

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Final Cut Pro 7
  • 1. Re: Aspect ratio conform issue
    Meg The Dog Level 6 Level 6 (9,690 points)

    Are you confident you want to work that way? You are going to be editing in an FCP7 non-standard frame size which is going to give you a lot of trouble during the edit.

     

    Is your source footage already transcoded to ProRes? If so, you may want to consider this workflow:

     

    Create a new sequence.

    Drop a source clip on the timeline. When FCP asks to match the source properties, say yes.

    Go to the tab Effects > Video Filters > Matte > Widescreen and apply the Widescreen filter to the clip on the timeline.

     

    Once applied, double click on the clip on the timeline so that it opens in the viewer, and then click on the Filters Tab. Set the WIdescreen filter to 2:35:1.

     

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    Now the clip will display letterboxed in the 2:35:1 aspect. Edit your sequence, applying the Widescreen Matte filter on the clips. You can copy and paste the filter from the first clip to the rest of the clips.

     

    When you are finished editing, export the sequence as a Self Contained QuickTime movie without conversion.

     

    Take that exported QuickTime movie into Compressor and set the crop to crop to the 2:35:1 aspect ratio and in to transcode to the various codecs/framesizes you need for delivery (YouTube, DVD, etc.)

     

    MtD

  • 2. Re: Aspect ratio conform issue
    lancemokma Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I have transcoded to prores and I am very familiar with the mattes you've suggested. however, what I do and have done before is edit with that 16:9 cropped to 2:35. and it's an easy export and loads into Vimeo Wilbur the black matte (16:9), unless full screen.

  • 3. Re: Aspect ratio conform issue
    Meg The Dog Level 6 Level 6 (9,690 points)

    Then go to menu Final Cut Pro > User Preferences and click on the Editing Tab.

    Un-check "Always Scale Clips to Sequence Size", and click OK. Now the clips should edit to the timeline unscaled to fit in the custom timeline dimensions.

     

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    MtD

  • 4. Re: Aspect ratio conform issue
    lancemokma Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    did that, too...was already set that way.

     

    we're on the same level as far as ideas it seems, but mine stop there...thank you thus far!Screen Shot 2013-07-07 at 8.36.42 PM.png

  • 5. Re: Aspect ratio conform issue
    Meg The Dog Level 6 Level 6 (9,690 points)

    You need to un-check it.

    If it is checked, FCP will try to scale the clip to fit withing the vertical dimensions of the timeline settings - hence your first example of the clip with the piillar box on the sides.

     

    If it is un-checked, FCP ignores the timeline frame size and places the clip with the clip's original scaling - which in your case with your custom timeline settings will result in a full screen panavision wide screen.

     

    MtD

     

    Message was edited by: Meg The Dog to clarify.

  • 6. Re: Aspect ratio conform issue
    lancemokma Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    would help if i didn't read through that so quickly, huh?

     

    i have made the un-checked adjustment and it appears the same problem is occuring...even after closing the FCP app...

  • 7. Re: Aspect ratio conform issue
    lancemokma Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    it works the way i want it to if i say "yes" to changing to the clip settings and then change the sequence settings after...however, after that, i try and drag more clips into the timeline and they are scaled down...

  • 8. Re: Aspect ratio conform issue
    Meg The Dog Level 6 Level 6 (9,690 points)

    Sorry, don't get that behavior here. If the User Preference has the Always scale clips to sequence size un-checked, the clip gets placed on the timeline at the clip's native size, without regard to the timeline frame dimensions.

     

    You appear to have a solution, but you also may want to try trashing your FCP Preferences and see if that helps as well.

     

     

    MtD

  • 9. Re: Aspect ratio conform issue
    lancemokma Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    great idea.

     

    just did so...no dice.

  • 10. Re: Aspect ratio conform issue
    Meg The Dog Level 6 Level 6 (9,690 points)

    Well, the quickest solution is for you to select all the clips on your custom dimension timeline, and once they are selected, control-click on any one of the selected clips and from the drop down menu choose Remove Attributes. When the remove attributes pane opens, Basic Motion should be checked (if not, check it) anc click OK. This should resize all the clips on your custom timeline to full width.

     

     

    MtD

  • 11. Re: Aspect ratio conform issue
    Meg The Dog Level 6 Level 6 (9,690 points)

    OK, the reason we are getting different results has to do with (for some reason) with whether you are editing a larger image into a smaller timeline, or a smaller image into a larger timeline. The behavior changes.

     

    See:

     

    http://documentation.apple.com/en/finalcutpro/usermanual/index.html#chapter=86%2 6section=4%26tasks=true

     

    Apparently it does not handle resizing the same in both conditions, as opposed to having uniform behavior when the source clip does not match the sequence dimensions.

     

    Incidentally, I just did a quick check in Premiere Pro, and it appears to behave as one would expect - the source clip is placed a full scale on the timeline.

     

    MtD

  • 12. Re: Aspect ratio conform issue
    lancemokma Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    yes! this works, although i have to do this to each new imported clip.

  • 13. Re: Aspect ratio conform issue
    lancemokma Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    so what this means is when i'm dealing with a clip that's smaller within my 1920x816 frame (as pictured earlier), it scales up to fit the frame? that would mean it's killing the resolution and "stretching" it to fit even though it looks correct?

     

    all it has to do is cut from 1080...

  • 14. Re: Aspect ratio conform issue
    lancemokma Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    well, once i highlight them all it works as well!