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  • 285. Re: The new Mac Pro
    GSVNotInventedHere Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    No but it will be another skill learned by Pro (semi pro) pilots of the TurboJet nMP maybe eh.

  • 286. Re: The new Mac Pro
    zachi Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Grant Bennet-Alder wrote:

     

    i'm just disappointed that there are no dual processor models

    Dual-chip is NOT an advantage. You have been advocating for Dual-chip solutions without ever specifying how many processors you were talking about, just arm-waving about something that might become available in the PC world sometime.

     

    and that the gpu wont be standard. standard is internal PCIe 16x.

    floppy disks are standard as well.

     

    My discussion with GSVNotInventedHere talks about a potential new GPU standard, with a heat mating surface in a standard place, and no fan.

     

    you are just talking **** *****.

    dual chip is clearly faster than single chip on long time calculating tasks. if i render a picture in cinema4d it takes almost half the time with a dual chip computer (given exactly the same chips used). so there is a freaking advantage to it. i worked on 20 different computers. i certainly know why i spend my $ on dual processor machines.

     

    and talking about any 2015? 2020? future gpu standards is not really helping. almost all software using gpu computing needs cuda now. this wont change till autumn 2013. not having standard internal PCIe 16x slots is a HUGE disadvantage compared to competing computers.

     

    the mac pro 2013 is an all-in-one closed system low-mid end workstation without any expanding options. speedwise it is not comparable to a dual cpu 2x12core pc workstation with the option to add serveral internal gpus.

    if you cant agree to this, you live in a fantasy world.

  • 287. Re: The new Mac Pro
    Allan Eckert Level 8 Level 8 (41,525 points)

    I recommend that you stop eatting so many of those magic mushroom

     

    Allan

  • 288. Re: The new Mac Pro
    Ziatron Level 4 Level 4 (3,265 points)

    I still am (almost) speechless at all the talk of "I'm switching to WIndoze because the new MacPro doesn't have multiple CPUs".....

     

    The reason I hear most often from Mac Pro users planning to switch to Windows is the packaging of the Mac Cylinder not the "multiple CPU" issue.   These people require a computer that is internally expandable.

     

    Personally, I would have rather seen the same silver tower, with both eSATA and USB 3.0 on front and back, Thunderbolt 2 and FIrewire 800 ports on back, and keep the current 2 optical drives (Blu-Ray) and 4 hard-drive bays (although they could probably make that 8 internal bays without much problem), along with the PCIe card slots.

     

    When I look at the various devices that I have neatly installed on the inside of our many Mac Pros, I see a jumbled, tangled, mess on my desktop with a black Cylindrical Mac somewhere in a mess of wires.

     

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRRDJQb4JBw

  • 289. Re: The new Mac Pro
    Ziatron Level 4 Level 4 (3,265 points)

    You like the old Coke? Me too. Keep it

     

    Not a very good analogy.  You will recall that customers hated the new Coke and switchd to Pepsi.  A few months later Coca-Cola went back to their original formula (still in use today).

  • 290. Re: The new Mac Pro
    Marsdy Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Dual-chip is NOT an advantage. You have been advocating for Dual-chip solutions without ever specifying how many processors you were talking about, just arm-waving about something that might become available in the PC world sometime


    We do not know how high the Mac pro line will go. All we have seen is what they have put forward as their "placeholder" on the Professional Workstation market, and likely the minimum first new Mac Pro available..

     

    If dual-chip systems are NOT an advantage then why has Apple been marketing dual chip MacPros for so many years now? I'll tell you why.... BECAUSE THEY ARE FASTER in most instances...... Put two 12 core chips in in a box and it WILL be faster than the same box with one 12 core chip....PERIOD.... This is something Apple seem to have forgotton in its pointless quest to reinvent the wheel and why it is handing it's competitors a gift on a plate.

     

    As for the new Mac Pro  being a "placeholder" machine... This makes no sense whartsover and has NO precedent in Apples pro desktop history, especially for such a radical redesign . Apple has tied it's hands behind it's back with such a constricted physical design. It is opening up the market for it's competitors to have a field day once they release dual 12 core systems, (with  4K graphics optioms for the few that need it,) become available. And let's not forget Apple are claiming "up to 12 core" single processor systems will be available. I see no mention of 4K support being an opttion. I despair of Apple's design thinking here. I'll give Thunderbolt a few years before it goes the same way as Firewire..... The PC market will be the decisive factor here and early adoption signs are not good.

  • 291. Re: The new Mac Pro
    Shaun Ferguson Level 2 Level 2 (180 points)

    "Personally, I would have rather seen the same silver tower, with both eSATA and USB 3.0 on front and back, Thunderbolt 2 and FIrewire 800 ports on back, and keep the current 2 optical drives (Blu-Ray) and 4 hard-drive bays (although they could probably make that 8 internal bays without much problem), along with the PCIe card slots."

     

    And that would suit me too - certainly I thought they'd go this way.

  • 292. Re: The new Mac Pro
    Holger_S Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Hmmm... just my thoughts...

     

    I am sorry, I am not a native speaker... I have not seen the new MP in real world... I only see vids and pics and I am sorry, the new design is not my favourite. I prefer the old on. State of the art. No change was needed and I am sure, this new design is not everyones choice...

     

    I do not own any TB 1 hardware and I do not need any upgrade to this... I use my MP with 5 SSDs inside and 24 GB Ram and GTX 285 so this is fine... I would prefer an upgrade with existing form with UBS3 (native) and external eSata ports and TB (in front and back panel), enogh spavce internally and choices of upgrades internally... I am sorry, I still use a couple of times in month DVDs and so on...

     

    So. at a first look - the new one does not fit my interests. But ok, maybe there is no real interest by Apple in users like me... I wish the new product all the best, because I do not want to see MP line in end of life (and I am sorry, Mac Mini and iMac are not really an opion)...

     

    I will see which hardware will replace than my system in a few years...

  • 293. Re: The new Mac Pro
    zachi Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Grant Bennet-Alder wrote:

     

    i'm just disappointed that there are no dual processor models

    Dual-chip is NOT an advantage. You have been advocating for Dual-chip solutions without ever specifying how many processors you were talking about, just arm-waving about something that might become available in the PC world sometime.

     

    We do not know how high the Mac pro line will go. All we have seen is what they have put forward as their "placeholder" on the Professional Workstation market, and likely the minimum first new Mac Pro available.

     

    and that the gpu wont be standard. standard is internal PCIe 16x.

    floppy disks are standard as well.

     

    My discussion with GSVNotInventedHere talks about a potential new GPU standard, with a heat mating surface in a standard place, and no fan, or maybe an optional fan module.

     

    to finally set a line under Grant Bennet-Alders misinformations you can browse the geekbench mac benchmarks here:

    http://browser.primatelabs.com/mac-benchmarks

     

    you will see that the dual processor mac pros have way higher benchmarks than the single processor models. thats actually the reason why they are produced and why people pay a higher price for them. i dont know why grant refuses to accept this and constantly tells the oposite here. (its the reason my discussion with him got a bit out of hand on sunday)

     

    anyway, fact is, with the new "pro" apple decided to abandon this market and forces the people needing dual processor computers to switch to pc. this is not a question of pro or not, there are pros on each flavor of macs. also the new "pro" is not a bad computer. thing is, if your work needs the duals, you are pretty ***'ed up now. the pro line was a range of computers which covered a broad user base. the new one does not, or at least not the same range. maybe some of you proponents could just accept that by stopping the existing pro line for some guys xx years of investment in learning the system and software went down the gutter. if you were one of them you would not be happy either.

  • 294. Re: The new Mac Pro
    Ziatron Level 4 Level 4 (3,265 points)

    I wish the new product all the best, because I do not want to see MP line in end of life

     

    I regret to inform you that the Mac Pro is ending.  Only the name remains the same with this new computer.

  • 295. Re: The new Mac Pro
    Martin Pace Level 5 Level 5 (5,090 points)

    Holger_S wrote:

     

    I do not own any TB 1 hardware and I do not need any upgrade to this... I use my MP with 5 SSDs inside and 24 GB Ram and GTX 285 so this is fine... I would prefer an upgrade with existing form with UBS3 (native) and external eSata ports and TB (in front and back panel), enogh spavce internally and choices of upgrades internally... I am sorry, I still use a couple of times in month DVDs and so on...

    Most Mac Pro users probably won't have TB 1 hardware since the current Mac Pro doesn't support it. Same was true when Apple moved from SCSI -> IDE -> SATA or from NUBUS -> PCI -> PCIe etc.

     

    Apple doesn't make computers to meet all the requirements of an individual user. While you might find external SATA ports useful someone else wants 8 internal 3.5" bays, another user doesn't need optical drives at all (and doesn't want to pay for them) and another wants a built in card reader...

     

    For me getting rid of PCIe slots is a simplification. I have 4 PCIe cards: a 16 lane graphics card, a 4 lane eSATA card a 1 lane eSATA card and a 1 lane video I/O card. That leaves 18 PCIe lanes of I/O that I can't use without buying a PCIe expansion box (or possibly two). With Thunderbolt I can just daisy chain to make use of the unexploited bandwidth.

     

    I'm not happy that the new Mac Pro may have non-replaceable video cards but choices for replacing video cards for the last 10 years or so have been extremely limited anyway. The fact that they start off with two highend cards will give some breathing room.

     

    I think the new Mac Pro setup gives the end user the greatest flexibility in configuring the CPU I/O bandwidth to whatever best suits their needs.

  • 296. Re: The new Mac Pro
    zachi Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Ziatron wrote:

     

    I wish the new product all the best, because I do not want to see MP line in end of life

     

    I regret to inform you that the Mac Pro is ending.  Only the name remains the same with this new computer.

    exactly

  • 297. Re: The new Mac Pro
    dukesup1978 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Does anyone know if the old Apple Cinema HD Display's (2004) will work / be compatible with the new Mac Pro 2013?

  • 298. Re: The new Mac Pro
    Don.Mac.iPhone4 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I would have to assume that if you have a DVI to HDMI adapter cable then they should be compatible

  • 299. Re: The new Mac Pro
    dukesup1978 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    perfect, thank you!

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