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  • 45. Re: Restore Quicken from Time Machine - Permissions Problem
    Lawrence Hammer Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    OK, I am confused too.  Not certain what TM has to do with it, so I must not have been clear.

    The files in question are in my user Documents folder.  They likely were imported from my G5 Mac that is running 10.4.  They are not from TM.   In my documents folder, the file (called "Sales Analysis") I selected has the following permissions:

     

    File: Sales Analysis  - 16kb in size. Opens in Excel just fine

    Me            Read & Write

    everyone  Read only

    Me            No Access

    everyone  No Access

     

    The folder that contains that file and another file is called "beach".  It has the following permissions:

     

    Folder: beach - 2 items (Sales Analysis and another Excel file) 29 KB

    Me               Custom

    Me               Read & Write

    everyone     Read only

     

    This folder is contained in a folder called "Excel" that has normal looking permissions:

    Me               Read & Write

    everyone     Read only

     

    /Users/username/Documents/Larry Excel/beach/Sales Analysis

     

    If I try to restore this folder "beach" via TM, I get the following message, "The operation can’t be completed because you don’t have permission to access 'beach'."

     

    As part of your suggested test (as I understand it), I copied that folder "beach" from my user directory Documents folder to a new folder on the desktop named test. 

     

    After copying to the folder test on the desktop, folder Beach and File Sales Analysis have different permissions:

     

    File: Sales Analysis  - 16kb in size. Opens in Excel just fine

    Me            Read & Write

    everyone  Read only

    Me            Write only (Drop Box)

    everyone  No Access

     

    Folder: beach - 2 items (Sales Analysis and another Excel file) 29 KB

    Me               Read & Write

    everyone     Read only

     

    Folder: test

    Me               Read & Write

    everyone     Read only

     

    OK, now I do the Terminal magic.  The files disappear.  Now the test folder has Zero KB and has the following permissions:

     

    Me               Custom

    everyone     Custom

     

    While I think we are all confused as to what the heck is going on, this is not TM related because the files were never recovered from TM.

  • 46. Re: Restore Quicken from Time Machine - Permissions Problem
    baltwo Level 9 Level 9 (60,125 points)

    This started with issues retrieving stuff from TM, specifically the Quicken data file. I've no a clue where all of this other stuff got involved. Since your running SL, follow these steps (from Kappy):

     

    1. Boot from your Snow Leopard DVD.
    2. Select your language and click on the Continue button.
    3. Wait for the installer's menubar to appear at the top of the screen.
    4. From the Utilities menu select Reset Password.
    5. Click on your main hard drive.
    6. From the dropdown menu under “Select the user account” select your username.
    7. Underneath where it says “Reset Home Directory Permissions and ACLs”, click the Reset button.
    8. Quit the Reset Password utility.
    9. Quit the Installer to restart.
  • 47. Re: Restore Quicken from Time Machine - Permissions Problem
    Lawrence Hammer Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Thanks baltwo for the suggestion, but we tried that, oh, about 27 pages ago.  I think it got rid of the user "_unknown" but did nothing for the double user and everyone listings in permissions.

     

    Is it worthwhile doing a second time?

     

    I fear that I have both of you stumped.  That is not good.

  • 48. Re: Restore Quicken from Time Machine - Permissions Problem
    Pondini Level 8 Level 8 (38,720 points)

    Hopefully baltwo will have an idea or two;  he's the permissions guru -- I know just enough to be dangerous. 

     

    Until then, one thing you might try is copying the files in question to the special Shared user folder (inside the Users folder at the top level of your internal HD).  Then create a new user account, log on to it, and copy the files from the Shared folder to the new user's home folder.  If that strips off the funky permissions, you should be able to copy back to the Shared folder, then log on to your normal account and copy to your home folder.'

  • 49. Re: Restore Quicken from Time Machine - Permissions Problem
    baltwo Level 9 Level 9 (60,125 points)

    Wouldn't hurt. Give Pondini's suggestion a try. All the neighborhood goblins have taken to their beds, so must I, since I'm out of ideas.

  • 50. Re: Restore Quicken from Time Machine - Permissions Problem
    Lawrence Hammer Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Thank you, both of you, for your time energy and help.  I will try the copy and restore.  The only other thing I have tried that seemed to work is to copy the files to my NAS that has a non-Mac file format, then back to my Mac drive.  I was concerned about doing that en mass as I suspect that this strips away other information from the files.

     

    Is there any easy way to do a search to look for files that have this odd permissions quirk?  It seems only a minority of mine have this problem.

     

    Out of curiosity, I think one of you stated that permissions are not in the actual file itself, but somewhere else.  Where are permissions stored on the drive?

     

    Thanks again!

  • 51. Re: Restore Quicken from Time Machine - Permissions Problem
    Pondini Level 8 Level 8 (38,720 points)

    Lawrence Hammer wrote:

    . . .

    The only other thing I have tried that seemed to work is to copy the files to my NAS that has a non-Mac file format, then back to my Mac drive.  I was concerned about doing that en mass as I suspect that this strips away other information from the files.

    Yes, I believe that's true, at least in some cases.  Various metadata is stored separately, and extended attributes are, too.   What, if any, data that includes varies by the application that creates or changes the file.  I'm not familiar with Quicken, so what it might store that way, I have no idea.

     

     

    Is there any easy way to do a search to look for files that have this odd permissions quirk?  It seems only a minority of mine have this problem.

    Not that I know of, but that's a bit out of my area.

     

    Out of curiosity, I think one of you stated that permissions are not in the actual file itself, but somewhere else.  Where are permissions stored on the drive?

    That's my understanding (and would explain why the funky ones disappeared when you copied to your NAS -- defaults were added when you copied back to an OSX volume).

     

    I'm pretty sure you can't get to them separately via the normal user interface, but just how they're stored,  I don't know.   There are UNIX command that will show them to you, but only as associated with a file or folder, not separately.

  • 52. Re: Restore Quicken from Time Machine - Permissions Problem
    sirangler Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I'm going to guess that this was never solved.

     

    I am using Quicken 2007 for Lion on a iMac running Lion. I have my Quicken data file inside my shared  "Public" folder because my wife and I access it from different computers in the house using our household network. This lets us have one Quicken file for about 50 accounts we have, everything from checking to credit cards to brokerage accounts.

     

    So here is what I did to solve the problem I had when I received the error message, "Quicken has found corrupt data in your file. If you continue to use this file you may experience program instability, further date corruption, and incorrect results."

     

    First, I have learned from decades of experience with Quicken for Mac that when you get an error message it almost never tells you what the real problem is. Quicken has a way of just popping up bogus messages and you need to figure out what is really wrong. Something is wrong, just not what it tells you is wrong.

     

    I selected the default, which said something to the effect that I could go to the Quicken help page to solve my problem. The other choices were, "Continue," and "Quit." The Quicken help page told me to delete the "Quotes" file located in the Package Contents of my data file. i did what I was told, but that did not solve the problem. I realize now that true to form, the error message was not even close to wha the real problem was.

     

    Then I went back and tried the "Continue" button. I got the error message that the file was locked (if I remember correctly). My next step was to use Time Machine to simply restore a backup. I LOVE TIME MACHINE. It has saved me from all kinds of problems. The problem I got with Time Machine was that it would try to restore my file, but would give me a message that I didn't have permission. This is garbage. I'm working on my own Mac, my own files, I'm the only user on the machine, how dare it tell me I don't have permission. This is another case of getting the wrong error message for the problem at hand.

     

    So I called Quicken. They dold me that the problem was indeed solvable, but that I needed to buy a support package. I said I'd think about it and hung up.

     

    Then I went back into Time Machine and instead of trying to restore only the Quicken data file, I restored the entire folder that the Quicken data file was in. That did it. No permission errors. Quicken opened just fine, albeit with a days worth of entries missing.

     

    I hope this saves somebody from a day of heartache and solves their problems fast.

     

    Good luck.

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