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Robin Johnson Level 2 Level 2 (210 points)

Because it's time for people stop stop convincing themselves that software manufacturers somehow 'owe them', just because they've used previous versions.

 

I've been using Logic in its various forms since 1995 - that's 18 years, kids - upgrading every time, and I have absolutely NO PROBLEM with their being no upgrade price.

 

Reasons?

 

1. At the full price, Logic X is markedly cheaper than any ProTools upgrade.

 

2. It is a very powerful piece of software which can do things I could only dream of being able to do - or afford to do - for many, many years.*

 

Apple has delivered a piece of powerful, professional level audio production software at the remarkable price of just $200/£139.

 

Just two days ago people were grizzling about "We haven't seen an upgrade to Logic for years. Has Apple forgotten about it?" Well here it is. And you're still moaning!

 

Nobody ever said doing professional quality audio was cheap, so for goodness sake let's stop the pathetic 'world owes me a living' snivelling.

 

If you think it's too much, take up knitting, train spotting/railfanning or something.

 

No connection with Apple, just a longterm user who  remembers 'the bad old days' only too well and hates the constant whinging about everything!!

 

 

* How many of the moaners actually remember splicing tape or endless analogue bounces to get just 16 or 20 tracks, noticeably losing quality every time?

  • 1. Re: THIS is why there is no upgrade price for Logic Pro X
    Dave Woof Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)

    Absolutely - I've posted the text below in a couple of other threads, but it serves to reinforce your point....

     

    The full price of Logic Pro was reduced during the life of Logic Pro 9 to be only a fraction of the original price.  Thus, the full price today is still cheaper than the old model for upgrade prices.  Net result - just buying the new version when one comes out (e.g. Logic Pro X) costs about the same, if not less than upgrades did in the past, but with the added bonus that if you're a new customer, you pay a far cheaper price first time round.

     

    Everyone's a winner!

  • 2. Re: THIS is why there is no upgrade price for Logic Pro X
    alek_corona Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I do remember that Robin, same as studying manuals for outboards instead of using a plugin's preset.

     

    But you miss just one point imho: when we bought PT, Logic, Cubase etc we had a DVD so we OWN a copy and we could re-sell it

     

    now I just have an app connected to my apple ID.

    And If I bought my Logic 9 more than 30 days ago I have to pay again the full price. So it means £280 aprox?

     

    Not complaining about the price but about the fact that I'm paying twice just for lack of marketing.

  • 3. Re: THIS is why there is no upgrade price for Logic Pro X
    Mike Connelly Level 4 Level 4 (1,785 points)

    Upgrades are "paying twice" by definition.  Companies can't give free updates forever.

  • 4. Re: THIS is why there is no upgrade price for Logic Pro X
    Pancenter Level 5 Level 5 (7,640 points)

    Dave Woof wrote:

     

    Absolutely - I've posted the text below in a couple of other threads, but it serves to reinforce your point....

     

    The full price of Logic Pro was reduced during the life of Logic Pro 9 to be only a fraction of the original price.  Thus, the full price today is still cheaper than the old model for upgrade prices.  Net result - just buying the new version when one comes out (e.g. Logic Pro X) costs about the same, if not less than upgrades did in the past, but with the added bonus that if you're a new customer, you pay a far cheaper price first time round.

     

    Everyone's a winner!

     

     

    Logic Pro used to cost... $999  After Apple purchased it the price was reduced to $499, once it moved to the App Store the price was reduced to 1/5th of it's original cost at $199... so yes, stop the silly complaining.

    I've invested thousands in Logic over the years.

     

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    However, I can look at it from a different perspective:

     

    The price whining is a natural development from Apple removing the copy protection, reducing the price and promoting Logic as and upgrade to Garageband. You now have a whole new group of users, many who have never used a DAW and have little respect for the development of this software through the years or the things we used to do as engineers/musicians.... To amateurs the $199 upgrade price is ridiculously expensive to the "entitled" attitudes prevalent today. The fact that Apple isn't offering this upgrade at $50 is reason for storming the gates.

     

    So, place the blame for the whining not so much on the users but on Apple for setting up the conditions that made it possible.

  • 5. Re: THIS is why there is no upgrade price for Logic Pro X
    CoinOP1 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Just because things used to be a certain way doesn't mean it's right. I make music for over a decade and never understood the ridiculous prices for a piece of software I can by hardware for. Nuendo? When I thought it couldn't get any crazier: SawStudio. What kind of idiot is going to pay 4000$ for a DAW?

     

    200$ is a fair price. But those who own Logic Pro 9 or bought it recently shouldn't pay full price for a cosmetic update.

  • 6. Re: THIS is why there is no upgrade price for Logic Pro X
    alek_corona Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    lol curious to know if your opinion will be the same if you bought Logic at £1000 2 months ago

     

    It seems a good time to get back to PT

  • 7. Re: THIS is why there is no upgrade price for Logic Pro X
    Dave Woof Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)

    But no-one did buy Logic for $1000 2 months ago, so that's something of a moot point!  ;-)

  • 8. Re: THIS is why there is no upgrade price for Logic Pro X
    Dave Woof Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)

    I think you have to admit this is rather more than just a cosmetic update...

  • 9. Re: THIS is why there is no upgrade price for Logic Pro X
    alek_corona Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    nope that's why people is complainig Dave.

    As for me I do agree £140 for a DAW is absolutely nothing.

     

    But if you decide to sell at a lower price to increase your target, well then £280 is too much.

     

    This people are just complaining about the fact that they bought Logic couple of months ago and now they have to buy it again.

     

    I can understand that.

     

    As for me my only complain is that I can't sell it back. A license transfer will solve everything.

    But now the world runs on app so.......we have to adapt

  • 10. Re: THIS is why there is no upgrade price for Logic Pro X
    Dave Woof Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)

    Indeed. I like to think that it was the drastic price reduction which meant that Apple continues to support this (due to vastly increased user base, and so even with the price cut, increased revenues), so whilst it has its drawbacks for some, including the inability to run an upgrade programme, overall the product is better for it, with a likely long lifespan way into the future.

  • 11. Re: THIS is why there is no upgrade price for Logic Pro X
    alek_corona Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Yep agree.

    But giving also the chance to transfer your license or buy a DVD version instead of an app (paying a little bit more), would help a lot.

     

    As for me I bought mine more than 1 year ago, but **** if I understand those users that bought it 31 days ago LOL

     

    If I have to be honest (I'll wait to use it before judging obviously) but some features scared me a little bit. Seems a little bit more oriented on a Garage Band style DAW.

     

    Hope I'm wrong

  • 12. Re: THIS is why there is no upgrade price for Logic Pro X
    mysticfig Level 1 Level 1 (115 points)

    If it's just a "cosmetic upgrade" then no one "has" to buy it. Logic Pro 9 still works exactly as it did 2 days ago - you can keep using it.

  • 13. Re: THIS is why there is no upgrade price for Logic Pro X
    Dave Woof Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)

    I played with the new version last night, and there's plenty of new stuff in there, as well as the new look. However, I'd also have been perfectly satisfied to stick with Logic 9 if I had to, which is an option available to anyone ;-)

  • 14. Re: THIS is why there is no upgrade price for Logic Pro X
    alek_corona Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Well I've just check roughly the new features but it seems to me that there's a lot more than cosmetic features.

    But I need to finish some work before moving to a new DAW.

     

    I wise thing maybe will be to wait the first update for X.

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