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christopher rigby1 Level 4 Level 4 (2,070 points)
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Jul 17, 2013 9:09 AM

I jumped from using iPhoto '06 to using iPhoto '11 and now I'm very confused. Before, if I 'Edited in external editor', I would do the changes in Elements, then simply Save there, and my changes were saved back to the Modified folder of my iPhoto Library. Now, I simply don't understand what's happening.

 

1. When I edit externally, iPhoto seems to create a duplicate of the image. Why? It didn't do this in iPhoto '06.

 

2. I just edited a picture, and after making changes in Elements, clicked Save. I then clicked back to iPhoto to see the changes, but they didn't show. So I deleted one of the duplicates, quit iPhoto, and relaunched, expecting to see the changes. No, they are still not there. Yet if I go back to Elements and click the most recent file, the changed version loads! Its location is now a folder in iPhoto called - wait for it - b8KWKsN7T22dur56ix0Vvw. Yup. I kid you not.

 

Can anyone explain

  • what has happened
  • why there are unnecessary duplicates
  • why doesn't iPhoto do the simple 'external editing' thing anymore?
iMac Core i5 4GB RAM, Mac OS X (10.6.8)
  • Keith Barkley Level 5 Level 5 (5,140 points)
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    Jul 17, 2013 9:15 AM (in response to christopher rigby1)

    External editing works fine for me, just the way you did it.

     

    The duplicate was a new, and generally not liked "feature" added to iPhoto.

  • LarryHN Level 9 Level 9 (55,075 points)
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    Jul 17, 2013 9:44 AM (in response to christopher rigby1)

    What version of iPhoto do you have? Is OS X 10.6.8 teh correct version of the OS?

     

    LN

  • Old Toad Level 10 Level 10 (113,450 points)
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    Jul 17, 2013 9:54 AM (in response to christopher rigby1)

    Using Photoshop or Photoshop Elements as Your Editor of Choice in iPhoto.

     

    1 - select Photoshop or Photoshop Elememts as your editor of choice in iPhoto's General Preference Section's under the "Edit photo:" menu.

     

    iPPSeditor.PNG

     

    2 - double click on the thumbnail in iPhoto to open it in Photoshop.  When you're finished editing click on the Save button. If you immediately get the JPEG Options window make your selection (Baseline standard seems to be the most compatible jpeg format) and click on the OK button. Your done. 

     

    3 - however, if you get the navigation window

    iPPSsave.PNG

     

    that indicates that  PS wants to save it as a PS formatted file.  You'll need to either select JPEG from the menu and save (top image) or click on the desktop in the Navigation window (bottom image) and save it to the desktop for importing as a new photo.

     

    This method will let iPhoto know that the photo has been editied and will update the thumbnail file to reflect the edit..

     

    NOTE: With Photoshop Elements  the Saving File preferences should be configured as shown:

    PSE9fileprefs.PNG

     

    I also suggest the Maximize PSD File Compatabilty be set to Always.  In PSE’s General preference pane set the Color Picker to Apple as shown:

    PSE9genprefs.PNG

     

    Note 1: screenshots are from PSE 10

     

    Note:  to switch between iPhoto and PS or PSE as the editor of choice Control (right)-click on the thumbnail and select either Edit in iPhoto or Edit in External Editor from the contextual menu. If you use iPhoto to edit more than PSE re-select iPhoto in the iPhoto General preference pane. Then iPhoto will be the default editor and you can use the contextual menu to select PSE for your editor when desired.

     

    OT

  • Old Toad Level 10 Level 10 (113,450 points)
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    Jul 17, 2013 10:35 AM (in response to christopher rigby1)

    3 - If you do any edit that creates layers or want to have PSE save the file as a .psd file then it will be saved but iPhoto won't recognize it as an edited version.  Simple edits will let you save as a jpeg and will go to the modified folder.  However, check your PSE preferences to see if you have an option similar to the one in this window:

     

    PSE9fileprefs.PNG

     

    That is save over the current file. I don't remember if PSE 6 had anything similar.

  • Keith Barkley Level 5 Level 5 (5,140 points)
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    Jul 17, 2013 11:57 AM (in response to christopher rigby1)

    Look carefully when you save and make sure it is saving like a JPEG. If you do something that adds a layer, just simply adding text for example, PSE wants to save a PSD and preserve the layers. To avoid this, use the layers->flatten Layers command in PSE to save the file as a JPEG.

  • Old Toad Level 10 Level 10 (113,450 points)
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    Jul 17, 2013 2:31 PM (in response to christopher rigby1)

    Why on earth did they change the design to having duplicates?

    That's a big change from the earlier versions of iPhoto and,IMO, not a good one.

  • Terence Devlin Level 10 Level 10 (121,895 points)
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    Jul 17, 2013 2:46 PM (in response to christopher rigby1)

    As iPhoto 11 uses the same Library as Aperture it works like Aperture.

     

    In iPhoto when you duplicate a photo it is virtual. No extran file is created, just another entry in the db, based on the original. So you can have multiple versions of the same photo, all virtual. Quite efficient.

     

    Obviuosly an external editor can't work with virtual files, so an actual new file has to be created. That gets sent to the external.

     

    That's why.

  • LarryHN Level 9 Level 9 (55,075 points)
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    Jul 17, 2013 3:40 PM (in response to christopher rigby1)

    Sorry but you need to ask Apple thoses kind of questions - we are simply users like you and we use the program as it is - cna can help explain to you how to use it as it is - no one here knows why anything nor can anyone here change anything

     

    LN

  • Terence Devlin Level 10 Level 10 (121,895 points)
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    Jul 17, 2013 11:30 PM (in response to christopher rigby1)

    Now there is no modified folder at all. All processing in iPhoto is virtual, in other words, it's truly lossless.

     

    The fact that a file ended up in the Modified folder means nothing, given that you never accessed the Modified folder. You still access your files the same way. Simples.

     

    For you this is counter-intuitive and unnecessary. They most certainly are the 'same type of app', exactly the same type.

     

    Anyway you asked why. That's why.

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