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No SATA drive after booting into Windows (BootCamp 5.0)

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nextech Level 1 Level 1 (35 points)
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Aug 11, 2013 12:10 PM

One of my DVD burners has failed in one of my 2008 Apple Mac Pro's.  I pulled the drive out (it was PATA/IDE) and replaced with a new LG WH14NS40 Blu-Ray Burner.  I had to pull the fan out (temporarily) and run a new 24" SATA cable (with right-angle connector) from one of the two extra SATA ports (on the motherboard) to the new actual SATA drive, and also install a MOLEX to SATA power connector.

 

I managed to get the drive installed (and working).  I now at least have a Blu-Ray burner in my 2008 Apple Mac Pro (with OS X 10.8.3 Mountain Lion).

 

The problem seems to be with when I boot directly into Windows 8.  When I boot into Windows 8, the two ports on the motherboard are disabled and the latest BootCamp 5.0 drivers don't seem to support the two SATA ports on the motherboard (they seem to be disabled).  So when I boot directly into Windows, my LG WH14NS40 Blu-Ray drive disappears.

 

I really wish Apple would have just "done things right" from the very beginning and took the time to write decent BootCamp 5.0 drivers that supported the two SATA ports on the motherboard, so that users who need to replace their old/dying/aging PATA drives could easily replace them with SATA drives and use the two SATA ports on the motherboard.

 

Also it would have been nice if Apple would have taken the time to write good BootCamp 5 drivers (for Windows 8) that support booting from the two SATA ports on the 2008 Apple Mac Pro motherboard.

 

I've heard of many people that have tried installing RAID Controller Cards (from OWC) in their 2008 Apple Mac Pro to upgrade their four hard drive caddys from SATA II (3Gbps) to SATA III (6Gbps) but unfortunately the RAID Controller Cards don't seem to be bootable and the only option is to install a fifth (bootable) hard drive into the Apple Mac Pro and this is normally done by installing a bootable SSD drive into one of the DVD-drive bays.  Unfortunately if you use a SATA SSD drive (which most SSD's are SATA) and then use one of the two SATA ports on the motherboard to connect it, then you go back to having the problem of not having a boot drive when you boot directly into Windows 8 (since there are no BootCamp 5 drivers for the 2008 Apple Mac Pro that support the two SATA ports on the 2008 Apple Mac Pro motherboard).

 

This seems to be a never-ending problem, and we have twelve 2008 Apple Mac Pro's (along with an office full of 2008/2009/2010/2013 Apple Mac Pro's) and we're getting extremely frustrated with Apple's lack of support in BootCamp 5.0 drivers for the 2008 Apple Mac Pro (and the two SATA ports on the mainboard).

 

Please fix this problem, and please update the BootCamp 5.0/5.1 drivers (for 2008 Apple Mac Pro users) and please support the two SATA ports on the Apple Mac Pro mainboard, and please make those two SATA ports on the motherboard bootable and usable in both Microsoft Windows 8 and in OS X 10.8.3 Mountain Lion.  Please update the BootCamp 5.0 drivers to support the two onboard SATA ports in Windows 8 (so that my Blu-Ray burner is viewable/usable in Windows 8).

Mac Pro, OS X Mountain Lion (10.8.3)
  • Grant Bennet-Alder Level 8 Level 8 (48,105 points)

    I do not speak for Apple on this, or any issue.

     

    In my opinion, the only reason for including the two ODD ports was as a hedge against SATA DVD Readers becoming far cheaper and or IDE/ATA DVD Readers becoming Hard-to-get. Apple gave you two IDE/ATA ports for Optical Drives, and I expect they do not feel the slightest bit compelled to make those "backup" ODD ports available in Windoze.

     

    Apple does not promise to read these posts, and unless your query goes unanswered for days, never responds here. If you want to tell them what you think about any product and current of future features, use feedback links:

     

    http://www.apple.com/feedback/

    Mac Pro (Early 2009), Mac OS X (10.6.8), & Server, PPC, & AppleTalk Printers
  • The hatter Level 9 Level 9 (58,535 points)

    The Mac Pro is based on Intel prototype of a dual Xeon motherboard "skulltrail" that was engineering protype dating back to mid-2005 which might have something to do with it too. You could ask why SAS or Intel hardware RAID wasn't included too (and get around that awful Apple "Pro" RAID $999 card as well)

     

    Or why Mac Pro 1,1 and 2,1 does not show up as AHCI SATA  in Windows I think is another Windows related issue.

     

    Or you might see that the 3,1 while early and first 64-bit EFI is not UEFI compliant for Windows 8.1.

     

    Intel S5000XVN workstation motherboard sometimes referred to as a Skulltrail platform for workstations as opposed to same board but could alsos be configured for servers too.

     

    http://www.intel.com/p/en_US/support/highlights/server/s5000xvn

     

    All S5000 based server boards provide SATA 3Gbps support (imsm driver) and SAS models also provide SAS/SATA 3Gbps support (mpt driver) for JBOD (native mode, no RAID). The SATA support is provided through the ESB component of the S5000 chipset.


    All S5000 based server boards provide optional Intel® Embedded Server RAID Technology II (0,1,10) for SATA drives enabled through a BIOS setting. SATA support was first enabled in BIOS 54, use the Mass Storage setting "Enable SATA as RAID". Drivers (ESRT2) are updated frequently on support.intel.com.


    SAS models provide optional Intel® Embedded Server RAID Technology II (0,1,10) for SAS or SATA drives enabled through a BIOS setting. SAS RAID requires BIOS 59 or later. Use the SAS BIOS page to enable SAS OpROM. Drivers (ESRT2) are updated frequently on support.intel.com.

  • 78c3sam Calculating status...

    I agree completely, Apple needs to support their flagship products more than a few years.

    Thousands of dollars for a 2008 Mac Pro and it's end of life according to Apple is 3 or 4 years!  I have personally purchased well over a dozen PC's, supported hundreds of PC's at work,  over 25 years of using PC's and this is the first time that drivers were not available for a current operating system on a PC that was only a few years old.

    I understand your frustration and I only have one Mac Pro, can't imagine having twelve at $3000 and up!.

    For one of the largest company's in the world they sure have one of the worst warrantys and support services. 

    The only saving grace to me is I am not a devoted OSX user, I run Windows 8 99.99999999999999999% of the time and when this Mac Pro is dead, I will just go back to a real PC and leave the roughten Apple on the vine for someone else to pick.

  • The hatter Level 9 Level 9 (58,535 points)

    The 2008 will be 6 yrs old come January.

     

    My 2006 still works, even better, limited by PCIe 1.x and EFI32 and won't support 64-bit kernel mode.

     

    64-bit Windows requires UEFI (EFI64) for Vista SP1 and above on 64-bit - and the 1,1 was 'designed' back in June 2005 so it now 8 yrs.

     

    We use to 'assume' 5 yrs support for a Mac from some statements and more reading between the lines.

     

    So 5-6 yrs for EArly 2008 3,1 does reach that milestone.

  • 78c3sam Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    actually my 2008 was bought January 2009, so mine will be 5 years old, not a very long life for a PC, maybe it is for a Mac.

  • The hatter Level 9 Level 9 (58,535 points)

    it is still a March 2008 model with firmware based on first EFI 64 which even MS says is not compatible with Windows 8jjust because you bought it at EOLas the 2009 4,1 was beginning to ship changes nothing. the Harpertown processor and use of older FBDIMMs were something that even Intel wanted to move past, taking 10-15W per DIMM.

  • 78c3sam Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    very difficult to understand what your talking about, maybe use whole words?

    As for not being able to run Windows 8 on a early 2008 Mac Pro, I am doing that and have been running 8 since February 2013 without any issues.

    My beif in case you missed it, is the same as the original poster, Apple dropped driver development for Bootcamp support on the 2008 Mac Pros and that is the simple fact.

    It probably is a financial choice for Apple, the faster they can end support on any of their products I.E. computers, phones, ipods, etc... the sooner the Apple cult of Zombies will sit out at their local Apple Store and suck up what ever Apple has to offer.

  • The hatter Level 9 Level 9 (58,535 points)

    I had typos due to using a tablet, having cataracts but they are whole words, or why say Unified EFI when you can say UEFI.

     

    I detest Apple lack of support and drivers and closed ecosystem and their toys too.

     

    Apple and Lion and apple decisions said I could only use 32-bit OS which meant I could only use 1.9GB RAM, less than even on a PC due to EFI32.

     

    And Windows does not crank up fans to match temperature. Lot of issues. Porting iOS into Maverick?

     

    I was just trying to help. I use Windows 8.1 99% now.

     

    Most other mac models, like MBP and iMac do have a lot more issues with Windows 8 and 8.1, the Mac Pro is closer to a PC desktop.

  • 78c3sam Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I use text to speach software to access my PC, when anyone uses short forms it becomes difficult to understand the meaning. I myself have an eye issue so I have to use text to speach software.

    I only found out about the lack of support for the 2008 Mac Pro when I stumbled across the Bootcamp 5 update and wanted to load it.  I am using bootcamp 4 drivers with Windows 8 and thought I would upgrade but hesitated, then I came across this posting and was glad I did not try and do it.

    I have three HD's, 1, OSX mountain lion,  2 windows 7 pro 64, 3, windows 8 pro 64.

    I Pretty much only use windows 8 now, had I updated my drivers, I guess I would have lost my 3rd HD with Win 8.

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