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Q: retina display for 17 inch macbook pro

How can we convince Apple that having a 17 inch Retina display is worthwhile for those of us PROFESSIONALS that use that larger screen and realestate?

 

I have had 3 17 inch models and have continuely upgraded to the latest and greatest and the 15 inch IS NOT adequate for the work I do on  day to day basis, Let's get together and MAKE THIS RIGHT.

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Posted on Jun 15, 2012 8:45 AM

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  • by da bishop,

    da bishop da bishop Aug 15, 2013 10:13 AM in response to CrimsonCage
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    Aug 15, 2013 10:13 AM in response to CrimsonCage

    17 inches 1080p plus a second screen is the very minimum that's actually useful to me. I could definitely use more CPU and GPU grunt, though, the specs are supposed to be pretty nice but it doesn't translate into unstoppable force territory, it'll get laggy and you've got to start freeing up resources to get control back. Don't  leave the web browser running sort of thing.

     

    Regarding size, it's a very small object all considering, it's a shade larger than a 15 inch laptop. Lots of it is battery. I could do with just the computer.

  • by VooDaKol,

    VooDaKol VooDaKol Aug 15, 2013 5:29 PM in response to mswag
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    Aug 15, 2013 5:29 PM in response to mswag

    Without my 17 inch macbook pro, I would not have been able to attend my best friends funeral, last year. This machinette makes my work portable and mobile, and i can not properly work with a screen smaller than this. And I can not expect every hotel or b&b to have at least one hi-res screen waiting for me.

     

    Retina screen would be very welcome...

     

    I dreamt my worst nightmare last night, this mpb went to pieces, and i could not buy a new one. aaargh...

     

    Please, Apple, bring back your full 17 inches

  • by pc2k5,

    pc2k5 pc2k5 Aug 16, 2013 6:41 AM in response to mswag
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    Aug 16, 2013 6:41 AM in response to mswag

    QUESTION FOR PROFESSIONALS:
    (1) How can PROFESSIONALS make the 17" MBP more appealing to CONSUMERS so as to increase 17" MBP sales and marketshare of laptops sold?

    This includes IDEAS like 18" or 19" MBP, to hardware, to colors, to stuff for the NON-PROFESSIONAL as well

    as exterior add-ons, to sales pitches, to good useful reasons why a NON-PROFESSIONALS would purchase a 17" MBP? Maybe even making a non-professional look like a professional?

  • by NY27,

    NY27 NY27 Aug 16, 2013 7:00 AM in response to pc2k5
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    Aug 16, 2013 7:00 AM in response to pc2k5

    I mentioned in an earlier note that I think better demonstrations in stores would increase MBP 17 inch sales.  I spent an hour trying out the 15 inch and 17 inch.  I couldn't see much of a difference.  But I decided to try the 17 inch.  Once I got home and started using it for work as a writer, I realized how much I prefer the 17 inch over the 15 inch.  If Apple did a better job of helping people in stores to understand the much greater productivity of the 17 inch for many professional and personal activities, it would increase sales.  Larger screens usually are seen as more presitious.  They're also better for viewing pictures and watching movies.

     

    The 17 inch provides a better screen and speakers as well as several other potentially better features. But it's only slightly larger than the 15 inch, which means that it is nearly as portable.  Apple led the way in launching larger laptops.  Now several other companies copy them. The 17 inch was and still is a good idea.  People might want smaller devices.  But they often want larger screens. 

     

    In summary, sales of the 17 inch MBP could be enhanced with better marketing and in-store demonstrations. 

  • by pc2k5,

    pc2k5 pc2k5 Aug 16, 2013 7:06 AM in response to NY27
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    Aug 16, 2013 7:06 AM in response to NY27

    So a better demo in stores? OK. That definately sounds good.

    (But what about an outward physical appearance to readily draw customers to the 17" as opposed to the 15" or 13"?)

     

    So what Software Demos would have CONSUMERS appreciate and value the 17"?

  • by Don_McCracken,

    Don_McCracken Don_McCracken Aug 16, 2013 7:33 AM in response to pc2k5
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    Aug 16, 2013 7:33 AM in response to pc2k5

    pc2k5 wrote:

     

    QUESTION FOR PROFESSIONALS:
    (1) How can PROFESSIONALS make the 17" MBP more appealing to CONSUMERS so as to increase 17" MBP sales and marketshare of laptops sold?

    If a new 17" model was considerably lighter than the old one, and the base model was not very much more expensive than the 15", then I think more consumers could be attracted to it because of it's possibly longer battery life and the fact that a 17" laptop can be a true desktop replacement. If they could fit in a DVD/Blu-Ray player, that wouldn't hurt either (but Apple, of course, never will).

  • by Network 23,

    Network 23 Network 23 Aug 16, 2013 3:01 PM in response to pc2k5
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    Aug 16, 2013 3:01 PM in response to pc2k5

    I don't think that strategy would make much difference, because while you can demo a 17" to wow a consumer, in the end consumers still don't care about productivity because they're consumers. It's like demoing a loaded Mac Pro and 30" monitor to a consumer: They'll honestly say "wowww!" but then turn around and walk out of the store with the MacBook Air that fits their consumer lifestyle at half the price.

     

    Recognize that the market for portable computers has completely changed since the 17" was first introduced. There is very little need for a consumer to haul 17" of screen around town, and every consumer I know got sick and tired of carrying their heavy old brick of a 15" laptop and downsized to an Air they love. Unlike 5-10 years ago, the heyday of the 17", today many consumers no longer even need a laptop to check various online services on the go because their smartphone can do it. Or...their iPad. The computing landscape has completely changed. During the few times a large screen is actually needed, today's Airs let a consumer plug right into the nearest large screen TV or monitor, which are now everywhere.

     

    The market for 17" is almost purely professional, it should be equipped for professionals, it should be priced for professionals and to make it worth Apple's while to manufacture. Including consumers would just make the 17" a worse professional product; this is exactly what many pros have complained about in the rest of the Mac line: Apple watering down their computers to appeal to consumers. That does not seem like a direction to go for the 17". Keep the 17" 100% professional.

  • by pc2k5,

    pc2k5 pc2k5 Aug 16, 2013 3:15 PM in response to Network 23
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    Aug 16, 2013 3:15 PM in response to Network 23

    If you keep the 17" 100% professional, what will professionals have at the end of the day?

     

    The view from my side shows zero 17" MBP that professionals can purchase.

     

    There are apps out there that a few consumers can appreciate and it is possible to have a stripped down version of the 17" that perhaps a consumer can see value in.

     

    Note, you don't have to capture 10 times the > 2% marketshare the 17" reportedly had.

     

    Perhaps the Prosumer can be sought?

  • by CrimsonCage,

    CrimsonCage CrimsonCage Aug 16, 2013 9:05 PM in response to Don_McCracken
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    Aug 16, 2013 9:05 PM in response to Don_McCracken

    If a new 17" model was considerably lighter than the old one, and the base model was not very much more expensive than the 15", then I think more consumers could be attracted to it because of it's possibly longer battery life and the fact that a 17" laptop can be a true desktop replacement. If they could fit in a DVD/Blu-Ray player, that wouldn't hurt either (but Apple, of course, never will).

     

    I agree on the lighter part. The interior of the 17 inch is the same as the 15 inch. As a matter of fact, the size, screen resolution and price are the only thing separate the 15 inch and the 17 inch MacBook Pro. I think the new 17 inch MacBook Pro with Retina should be lighter than the old one and it should be more powerful than the 15 inch. If you make the 13 inch as powerful as the 15 inch, I can tell the same thing will happen to the 15 inch.

     

    Add to that, the 17 inch MacBook Pro could be the only MacBook Pro to run Fusion Drive / Hybrid Drive. Personally, I kinda prefer the Fusion Drive over the flash storage.

     

    On the DVD part, I think it would be best to separate the DVD/Blu-Ray player from the machine. If you really need one, you can always buy it as an accessory. I rarely buy a Blu-Ray dish and I never use my Last Generation 17 inch MacBook Pro's optical drive. I don't even know whether it was working or not.

  • by pc2k5,

    pc2k5 pc2k5 Aug 17, 2013 7:52 AM in response to CrimsonCage
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    Aug 17, 2013 7:52 AM in response to CrimsonCage

    HOW HEAVY DOES THIS LAPTOP FEEL DEMONSTRATION INSIDE APPLE STORE:


    1. There should be a display next to the 17" MBP with a USB Digital Scale attached to some other Mac computer that shows the weight (with other standardized and familiar weights just to keep people honest).

     

    2. There should be a fake shaped laptop with adjustable weights inside where the customer can put the fake shaped laptop with the desired weight on the Digital Scale weight it AND also inside a LAPTOP BAG and weight that as well and walk around the store to see and FEEL how heavy each laptop feels. Also add in other FAKE stuff like power supply, pens, pencil, post-it notes, paper notebook, coffee mug, water bottle, earpods, headphones, etc.

     

    3. Apple should provide various laptop bags right next to the demo so NEW CUSTOMERS can stick the fake shaped laptop with weight and FEEL  how heavy the 17", 15" and 13" really is INSIDE a laptop bag.

     

    4. This will also distinguish how light Apple MacBook laptops are compared to each other as well as other PC laptops.

     

    5. Considering how much emphasis Apple puts into to how light their laptops weighs, the should be happy to put it to an actual in-store test. It's one thing to pick the laptop for a 3 seconds to put it into a laptop bag. It's another to actually walk a mile or so with it, or carry it to work every day.

  • by CrimsonCage,

    CrimsonCage CrimsonCage Aug 18, 2013 8:41 AM in response to pc2k5
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    Aug 18, 2013 8:41 AM in response to pc2k5

    1. There should be a display next to the 17" MBP with a USB Digital Scale attached to some other Mac computer that shows the weight (with other standardized and familiar weights just to keep people honest).

     

    2. There should be a fake shaped laptop with adjustable weights inside where the customer can put the fake shaped laptop with the desired weight on the Digital Scale weight it AND also inside a LAPTOP BAG and weight that as well and walk around the store to see and FEEL how heavy each laptop feels. Also add in other FAKE stuff like power supply, pens, pencil, post-it notes, paper notebook, coffee mug, water bottle, earpods, headphones, etc.

     

    3. Apple should provide various laptop bags right next to the demo so NEW CUSTOMERS can stick the fake shaped laptop with weight and FEEL  how heavy the 17", 15" and 13" really is INSIDE a laptop bag.

     

    4. This will also distinguish how light Apple MacBook laptops are compared to each other as well as other PC laptops.

     

    I don't think I understand what you are trying to say. "carry it to work every day" is the main target. I always carry my 17 inch MacBook Pro to work everyday.

  • by pc2k5,

    pc2k5 pc2k5 Aug 18, 2013 9:04 AM in response to CrimsonCage
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    Aug 18, 2013 9:04 AM in response to CrimsonCage

    CrimsonCage wrote:

    [...]

    I don't think I understand what you are trying to say. "carry it to work every day" is the main target. I always carry my 17 inch MacBook Pro to work everyday.

     

    There are MANY people who have NEVER used or carried a 17" PC of MBP thinking that it's TOO HEAVY to "carry it to work every day".

     

    By having a demo where these same people who have never carried at 17" in the first place, they can actually COMPARE wearing a backpack with a 15" MBP or PC and walk around the store. AND then wear a backpack with a 17" MBP and walk around the store and FEEL what the additional weight of a 17" is like?  Does it actually feel more heavy when actually WALKING  around the STORE? Can they actually tell? Can they tell the difference with a laptop BAG that is also with power supply, paper notebook, post-it notes, water bottle, other USB cables and devices, pens and pencils?

     

    Sort of like a Coke and Pepsi test except the goal is not "which taste better?", but the goal is that a 17" is NOT MORE HEAVIER than you think it might be and it feels the same carrying it in a laptop bag, so why not just the larger one, th 17" MBP?

     

    Apple spends a lot of time making a PHYSICALLY LIGHT WEIGHT laptop (i.e. MacAir).

    Minimalist in regards to weight is major goal.

     

    Why not put all the LIGHTNESS in PHYSICAL WEIGHT to the TEST against other laptops at the Apple store?

     

    Sort of like trying on a pair of shoes and walking around the store and seeing how they feel except instead of a pair of shoes, why not a typical laptop bag that also carries the typical stuff besides the laptop. e.g. paper notepad, power supply, cables, glasses, water bottle, candy bar, etc....

  • by Grant Bennet-Alder,

    Grant Bennet-Alder Grant Bennet-Alder Aug 18, 2013 6:45 PM in response to pc2k5
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    Aug 18, 2013 6:45 PM in response to pc2k5

    When I was helping my mother in law buy a station wagon, an important criterion was that she be able to put her mini fiberglass canoe in the back by herself, and be able to drive to the beach with it. So we took her canoe to the car dealer and tried it out in different vehicles, and compared and contrasted. We got more than a few weird looks, but no complaints.

     

    Isn't it great that we have a resource like the Apple store in so many cities. You can bring whatever you wish to the store and try it out with actual production Macs. So if the weight in a typical bag is of concern to you, go ahead -- bring your bag and your water bottle and whatever else you wish and try it out!

  • by pc2k5,

    pc2k5 pc2k5 Aug 18, 2013 7:08 PM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder
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    Aug 18, 2013 7:08 PM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder

    Grant Bennet-Alder wrote:

     

    So if the weight in a typical bag is of concern to you, go ahead -- bring your bag and your water bottle and whatever else you wish and try it out!

     

    Most who have not picked up or tried the 17" whatsoever have ALREADY made a decision in their MIND that the 17" is too heavy so they will not even try it out, ask about it, or bring their laptop bag and actually FEEL the WEIGHT.

     

    They have ALREADY made an OPINION even before trying it out.

     

    Just like you helped your mother-in-law who was highly doubtful, so should the Apple employees at each Apple Store should be SALESMEN LIKE and get them to try the 17" in a bag out and walk around the store.  This is what the Apple Store is about, "kick the tires", "test drive" and "carry in bag, walk around" is it not?

     

    This is how to get about 2% of all laptop sales...."carry in bag, walk around in store and FEEL if the weight is that much of a difference"?

  • by da bishop,

    da bishop da bishop Aug 18, 2013 7:21 PM in response to pc2k5
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    Aug 18, 2013 7:21 PM in response to pc2k5

    TBH I don't think that apple's product crew's viewpoint would be nearly so narrow. There's a whole load of stuff that has to happen for the 17 inch to keep up with the same features as the rest of the line.

     

    A retina 17 inch presumably requires a GPU, a screen, a power footprint, a battery which doesn't go flat in 20 minutes, and so on. The cost of developing & testing the model. The cost of tooling up a production process & training all those people in how to make and service the machines. The availability of all the parts required. Huge. Simply mind boggling. I would hope that the fact that most customers don't need the ferrari wouldn't stop them from building the top end machine, although when you pay a stiff premium for a marginal increase in features, you'll see customers going for the "pretty much the same" option. The 17 inch has, since the G4 days, been pretty much the same animal as the 15, but a lot more expensive. Perhaps it would make sense to do a machine that's designed to be an expensive, smaller-production-volume machine with a no-holds-barred approach to the specs and a suitably stiff pricetag.

     

    Before the mac pro was announced to be teeny, I thought that apple were letting the pros down, both on the desktop and in the portable domain. As it stands, I don't think that's the case.

     

    There's two routes on the table:

     

    #1: need power – go mac pro and run off mains or proper location batteries and inverters

    #2: need convenient – get a macbook pro 15 (and maybe another portable screen such as a wacom Cintiq 12 inch)

     

    I'm also sure that apple will re-release the "big laptop for power users", and I'd hope that it isn't just a slightly enlarged version of the 15 inch retina. Thing is, the parts for doing a big laptop with a 17 inch display aren't currently available if they're to match the specs and features of the other machines. It's unlikely that people would pay a premium for a functionally inferior machine that's just a bit bigger.

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