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Q: Can use ipad charger to charge iphone?

Hi, I have both iPad and iPhone 4. Can I use iPad charger for iphone and vise versa?

By the way, why is my iPad not charging when connected to computer via USB?

Why does iPhone doesn't show battery percentage on the status bar?

Sorry I am very new to these 2 gadgets..

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iPhone 4 and iPad, iOS 4

Posted on Sep 14, 2010 3:08 AM

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  • by modular747,

    modular747 modular747 Sep 7, 2013 5:41 PM in response to Noahwhite2014
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    Sep 7, 2013 5:41 PM in response to Noahwhite2014

    The problem is that you don't have the remotest clue what the maximum ampere rating of the adaptor means or how regulated charging circuits (which are in the phone, not the adaptor)  work. 

     

    As stated over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again in this thread alone, as long as the ampere rating of the adaptor exceeds that maximum draw from the charging circuit (determined by the phone), additional increase in rating has absolutely no effect.

  • by Lawrence Finch,

    Lawrence Finch Lawrence Finch Sep 7, 2013 5:46 PM in response to Noahwhite2014
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    Sep 7, 2013 5:46 PM in response to Noahwhite2014

    Noahwhite2014 wrote:

     

    Yes I did say I "didnt research" anything about electricity as in research anything now. But anyone who took ANY PHYSICS class had to have been through basic electrical concepts and vocabulary AT LEAST. These being : Ohms, resistance, voltage, AMPERE (Amps whatever you want to call it) and what they are and their relation to the others.

    Well, you clearly don't understand amperes. Your house probably has 150 amp service; that means that 150 amps comes into the house from the power company. So you had better not turn on any lights, because a 60 watt bulb is rated at only 0.5 amperes, so it will blow, and probably explode, instantly when that 150 amperes hits it.

  • by Noahwhite2014,

    Noahwhite2014 Noahwhite2014 Sep 7, 2013 5:48 PM in response to Lawrence Finch
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    Sep 7, 2013 5:48 PM in response to Lawrence Finch

    As much as I'd like to agree with you on the speed of charging an iPhone, my results were showing differently.

    Granted I did very simple tests, and the iPhone 4 and 4s are about the same age (when i bought them, one is not mine)

     

    My charge times tended to vary between the two chargers with my iphone 4, 4s.

     

    The iPhone 5 I used was a bit more controlled but in two separate time ranges 1:58:22 - 2:01:37 for the 1A adapter and 1:51:29 - 1:53:04 with the 2A adapter.  I had all antennas turned off when i was doing these experiments. But with the 4 it would charge to 100% in just over an hour with the 2A charger (fastest time was 1:09:42) and the 1A charger would get me to 100 at about 1:43:XX almost every time (one outlyer at 1:42:03). The iPhone 4s was about the same but it wasnt tested as extensively nor used as much as the iPhone 4.

  • by Noahwhite2014,

    Noahwhite2014 Noahwhite2014 Sep 7, 2013 5:50 PM in response to modular747
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    Sep 7, 2013 5:50 PM in response to modular747

    For a 21 page thread I will read the OP and hit reply without reading anything else. according to my tests, My iPhones are ALL broken internally due to the variance in charging times. Wonderful.

  • by Noahwhite2014,

    Noahwhite2014 Noahwhite2014 Sep 7, 2013 5:54 PM in response to stedman1
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    Sep 7, 2013 5:54 PM in response to stedman1

    Of course, a lot to learn which is why stray away from spending days on apple "support" communities answering questions with links that are easy to find that usually don't solve issues.

  • by Noahwhite2014,

    Noahwhite2014 Noahwhite2014 Sep 7, 2013 5:56 PM in response to Lawrence Finch
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    Sep 7, 2013 5:56 PM in response to Lawrence Finch

    I live in a cave with no electricity, I only use torches for light.

  • by Lawrence Finch,

    Lawrence Finch Lawrence Finch Sep 7, 2013 6:00 PM in response to Noahwhite2014
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    Sep 7, 2013 6:00 PM in response to Noahwhite2014

    Well, of course, because you burned out all of your light bulbs

  • by modular747,

    modular747 modular747 Sep 7, 2013 9:35 PM in response to Noahwhite2014
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    Sep 7, 2013 9:35 PM in response to Noahwhite2014

    For a 21 page thread I will read the OP and hit reply without reading anything else. according to my tests, My iPhones are ALL broken internally due to the variance in charging times. Wonderful

     

    Of course, a lot to learn which is why stray away from spending days on apple "support"

    Instead, you spent many pointlessly wasted hours incorrectly "testing" iPhone charging times without understanding what you were doing, learning nothing, and helping no one.  Wonderful!!

  • by F. Maxwell,

    F. Maxwell F. Maxwell Sep 8, 2013 3:46 AM in response to Noahwhite2014
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    Sep 8, 2013 3:46 AM in response to Noahwhite2014

    Noahwhite2014 wrote:

     

    according to my tests, My iPhones are ALL broken internally due to the variance in charging times.

     

    Then your tests are invalid. 

     

    In a previous message I wrote: "The iPhone charging is regulated within the phone.  You could attach it to a power supply capable of 5V at 500 amps and it would not charge any faster or be damaged by the experiment."

     

    Your iPhone will not charge faster on an iPad power adapter (or any other 5V DC power source) than it does on its supplied power adapter.   Lawrence Finch has said the same thing.  Therefore, it is no longer a point for discussion; it is an established fact.  So let's move on. 

     

    Since you don't want to read the entire thread, I will summarize:

     

    • Use of the iPad power adapter to charge the iPhone is approved by Apple.
    • Use of the iPad power adapter does no harm.
    • Use of the iPad power adapter provides no benefits–other than convenience.
    • The iPhone battery will not charge any faster using the iPad power adapter.
    • The iPhone will limit its current draw to 1A maximum, even with an iPad adapter than can supply 2A or 2.1A.

     

    Do you have any other questions related to the use of iPad power adapters to charge your iPhone?

  • by Bigapples,

    Bigapples Bigapples Sep 8, 2013 5:12 PM in response to emfung
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    Sep 8, 2013 5:12 PM in response to emfung

    Oh come on Lawrence Finch - Give these guys a break huh?

     

    Let's split this discussion a little shall we?

     

    1 - Sure in a controlled test where all phone functions are switched off then regulating circuit will mean that both iPad and iPhone chargers charge the phone in the same time.

     

    2 - But in real life most people charge their phones while they are switched on and the phone is doing some "stuff" that uses power - at that point the regulating circuit will let enough power through to both charge the battery maximally (according to the programming of said circuit) and provide power for the extra "stuff" ... The catch is that the iPhone chargers mostly can't supply max allowable charging current plus the extra little bit for the "stuff" the phone is doing while charging - Where as the iPad charger can.

     

    So in practice the iPad charger will (for most people in most situations) charge the phone to full slightly quicker.

  • by Lawrence Finch,

    Lawrence Finch Lawrence Finch Sep 8, 2013 5:31 PM in response to Bigapples
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    Sep 8, 2013 5:31 PM in response to Bigapples

    In practice that is not the case. I've also run that test. Using an iPad charger I tried loading down the phone with high usage functions (like phone calls, streaming music and downloads). No matter what load I put on the phone the measured current did not exceed 1.1 amps into the phone.

     

    BTW, I was very surprised by that result. I assumed, as you did, that the iPad charger would supply additional current to run functions on the phone. The reason I suspect it doesn't is that the phone always draws power from the battery, even if connected to a power source. The phone does not bypass the battery if connected to the power source.

  • by Bigapples,

    Bigapples Bigapples Sep 8, 2013 6:13 PM in response to emfung
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    Sep 8, 2013 6:13 PM in response to emfung

    I find myself generally agreeing with you .. But .. Yes still that but from about ten pages ago - the only iPhone charger I have tested (mine) doesn't seem to deliver 1.1 amps .. The most I could coax out of it was 1.04 ... And yet the iPad charger will do the full 1.1.

     

    I alluded to this ten pages or so ago and asked for someone to take me to task on it.

     

    That difference equals a fraction quicker charge for iPad charger .. Sure only a minute or 2 .. But it's there.

  • by RF9,

    RF9 RF9 Sep 8, 2013 7:06 PM in response to Bigapples
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    Sep 8, 2013 7:06 PM in response to Bigapples

    "2 - But in real life most people charge their phones while they are switched on and the phone is doing some "stuff" that uses power - at that point the regulating circuit will let enough power through to both charge the battery maximally (according to the programming of said circuit) and provide power for the extra "stuff" ... The catch is that the iPhone chargers mostly can't supply max allowable charging current plus the extra little bit for the "stuff" the phone is doing while charging - Where as the iPad charger can.

     

    So in practice the iPad charger will (for most people in most situations) charge the phone to full slightly quicker."

     

    That sounds like a logical conclusion bu that is not the case.  During my many tests I found then iPhones did not draw any more current from a 2 amp adapter than a 1 amp.

     

    When charging I see a .93 amp draw charging within wifi/cellular on.  With the screen on in see 1.03 amp.  It's identical with both 1 amp and 2 amp charging adapters.  The iphone only pulls .1 amp more in my tests.

     

    I used this meter for my tests.

     

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00DAR4ITE

  • by F. Maxwell,

    F. Maxwell F. Maxwell Sep 8, 2013 7:11 PM in response to Bigapples
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    Sep 8, 2013 7:11 PM in response to Bigapples

    Bigapples wrote:

     

    the only iPhone charger I have tested (mine) doesn't seem to deliver 1.1 amps .. The most I could coax out of it was 1.04 ... And yet the iPad charger will do the full 1.1.

     

    Please see:  http://www.righto.com/2012/10/a-dozen-usb-chargers-in-lab-apple-is.html

     

    The measured current output that he got was 1.79A from the 1A labelled iPhone charger.  He has the expertise and measurement capability to convince me that his numbers are valid.

  • by JPSSnyder,

    JPSSnyder JPSSnyder Sep 8, 2013 7:31 PM in response to emfung
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    Sep 8, 2013 7:31 PM in response to emfung

    Everyone should agree that the answer to the question "can you use an iPad charger to safely charge an iPhone" is unquestionably yes you can.

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