Currently Being ModeratedApr 23, 2013 5:12 AM (in response to Naturalbornsamy)
That method only works, when you have the computer around all the time. It still doesn't solve the problem of importing only JPG files onto the iPad in the field.
I just purchased an iPad mini the other day for use on the road solely to check images, composition, focus, etc. and be able to show the client bigger previews during the shoot.
I did some research, but have never thought, that I would stumble so harshly over this stupid limitation with RAW and JPG import! I mean, these guys at Apple have a pro App like Aperture in the works and they can't think of a smart and quick solution for photographers to have a choice when importing pictures to the iPad? That issue should have come up in a meeting about camera connection to the iPad before the thing came ever to market as a product! Now we are at iOS 6 and still have to find work arounds, that all do not really work?
I would be willing to invest in Eyefi cards, if that system would work fast and reliable. But I read too many posts about it not being up to a fully professinal standard to use whlie a client is around. Replacing some 60 GB worth of CF-cards with Eyefi cards would run me somewhere around 600,- €. That is an expensive work around for a stupid little missing dialogue box popping up before importing photos.
I am writing all this, because I spent around one full day researching the net and discussions, etc. to find a half way elegant solution to this problem, that I never thought could even exist.
Conclusion: From all I found out until now, there still is no solution for this problem. So let's see, what iOS 7 will bring besides a simplified GUI.
Currently Being ModeratedApr 23, 2013 5:46 AM (in response to petervogelphoto)
Did you try the work-around from karlmarsh155?:
After much thought I figured out a work around. Its a little convoluted but it will work.
All you do is import your JPEG+RAW images using the camera connection kit, then open the "imported" Album in iphoto on the ipad. You can then choose to copy them to the camera roll. Now go back into the photos app and delete all the photos from your "imported" Album. It will say that it is going to delete them everywhere but really it doesnt because it leaves the JPEG in the camera roll. The result is that you will only have your JPEGs that you imported in your camera roll and the RAW images get deleted.
The only thing I cant figure out is how to select multiple images in iphoto to be copied to the camera roll which means you need to do them one by one. There must be something I am missing in iphoto but I really just started using it the other day.
Regarldess I have figured out a way to upload your RAW+JPEG images from your camera and only keep the JPEG's without having to connect to a computer.
I should also mention that this will work if you import RAW only images but the JPEG created by iphoto is pretty small and not retina quailty. Therefore I recommened you shoot in RAW+JPEG if using the workflow.
If you wish to suggest the JPG-only import feature to Apple use: http://www.apple.com/feedback/ipad.html
Currently Being ModeratedApr 23, 2013 6:00 AM (in response to petervogelphoto)
Peter I totally agree ,why this was ever an issue and why this has never been addressed makes you really wonder what the **** they actually sit round doing .
Infact I would say the whole photos app needs a total re-look .
Things like the ability to pick multiple files quickly etc. it just needs to be made better. And if it could integrate properly with iPhoto app (like be able to create stuff in iPhoto) well that would be nice as well .
I know I've detailed most of these previously but here are my ways to get jpegs only into the iPad .
1: (this is a new one for me) i bought a transcend wifi card and shuttersnitch . Allows you to shoot raw+jpeg and import only the jpeg . Transcend wifi cards are much cheaper than the eye-Fi and come in 16 &32gb (rather than 8 or 16) .
It works but its not that fast and can drop out .
2: airstash . I still think this is the easiest option unless you have loads of images . Shoot just raw and it can send the embedded jpeg only to the iPad . Airstash support have said they are working on a raw+jpeg > jpeg only send option at some point. The downside is the length of time for lots of images and they go to the camera roll rather than an import folder .
3: android phone (I no longer have an android phone so this is no longer a working option for me) . If you have an android device that takes an sd card (micro SD probably) there is a decent app (can't remember the name) that allows you to copy/paste . I could cut the raw files and drop them in a folder that was outside the DCIM folder . The camera connection kit only sees the DCIM folder . In the past I've been able to do a full 32gb card really quickly .
I'm actually considering finding an old android phone that has an easily accessible card slot just to go back to this workflow .
4: only a consideration if near a PC/mac . Copy and paste the files onto a SD CARD . Not ideal but I'm doing it more now .
Now of course iPhoto lets you save upto 100 files now . This is much better but its very slow and then you have to factor in the space for the raw files in the first place plus the extra time it takes to import the raw fies .
Apple probably think they've addressed the problem because the new 128gb iPad should be able to store the raw files . Well I'm sorry its far to expensive and I don't need to change my current ipad3 (64gb)
Maybe ios7 will sort things . But then I doubt it :(
Currently Being ModeratedApr 23, 2013 7:45 AM (in response to JimHdk)
thanks for the feedback link! I was looking for that just a couple of hours ago and could not find it.
I will try the work-around from karlmarsh155, just to see if that could be a solution for emergency situations, where it is crucial to be able to check a few images.
For my normal workflow this would not be suitable, because on a full shooting day, I have easily more than 1000 images to transfer and not being able to select all of them at once is a full time job for a second assistant;-)) Transfer time is also an issue, when you are looking at 30+ GB of raw-data.
I will take the time to give it a try though.
Currently Being ModeratedApr 23, 2013 8:03 AM (in response to Dobbie99)
I bought shuttersnitch yesterday, because I thought, that it would be the app to directly import from the camera connection kit and let you choose the file format. I was wrong and had to realize, that it basically is a Wifi transfer app. Well, I was going to experiment with that, too, but from all the reading I had done, it does not seem to be quite as reliable yet to be able to use it as an every day solution. During a shoot, there is so much going on, that I couldn't also have to deal with wifi interruption issues. I always make sure, that my workflow is flawless and that I have a working backup for problems that could occur, if equipment fails. Wifi pic transfer would mean to be adding one unstable link in the chain. I also read, that people have sometimes problems, when they transfer the raw images to the computer later on, because always a couple of files are unreadable or corrupted. Imagine the favorite JPG isn't available as a raw file, because that one got corrupted. Bummer.
So, for me, wifi is a thing to test, but it is not yet a solution for the job.
Airstash sounds interesting and I will look into that, too.
I was also shocked, how basic the photo app for importing on the iPad is! It also seems, that the SDK does not provide any means for developers to directly have their apps talk to the camera connection kit, because that would solve the problems for the extra photo apps. I wonder why that is like that.
I also agree, that photo handling on iOS with syncing to iTunes is a complete and restricted mess! There is also no reason, why photo transfer would be restricted like that, since we are not talking about usage rights here.
Well, I will file a request.
Currently Being ModeratedApr 23, 2013 8:56 AM (in response to petervogelphoto)
Peter , yeah I agree if your workflow is like that then adding in the wifi transfer to shuttersnitch is a bit of a pain. i will say though that when i do use it i never have any corruption issues , I dont know about Eyefi (that was too expensive and too small for me) but the transcend wifi lets you shoot RAW+Jpeg and keeps both files on the card , only sending the jpeg. Used it yesterday (to my iphone) where I could setup a new collection for each new subject. it worked quite well but its not something i will rely on . the sort of best application fr me is going to be when i start shooting a new subject or place, i can send the first few images over and have a good visual check . then I will probably just change cards (to a fast CF) and carry on shooting .
As far as shuttersnitch. yes its main thing is wireless transfer. it can pull images from the photo's app but (and this was huge downside for me) it renames the files imp_0001 imp_0002 etc. I contacted snitch support and they said that the way the phot's app does things . but I dont think thats fully the case as I have thried other photo apps that import a copy from the phot's app and the filenames are still intact. the filenames thing is important to me as I use lightroom and there is a snitch app for LR that lets you rate the images and then you can send a text email that syncs these rating with the files in LR ,and this is cross RAW/Jpeg so you can import the raw files into LR and use therateings from the jpegs in snithc (as long as the filename is the same)
Of course at some point much of these problems will dissapear (not from apples input) as most bodies will be wifi in the future (ie like the 6D) or at least have 2 memory slots that you can send raw to one and jpegs to the other . this is still an issue when the buffer is so much smaller (ie 5D3 )
Personally I hope the 7D2 (or whatever its called) has both 2 cards slots and wifi :)
good luck looking for anything that works. i'll keep an eye out
Currently Being ModeratedMay 16, 2013 10:07 AM (in response to Naturalbornsamy)
If your camera has dual card slots it probably supports recording raw to one slot and jpeg to the other. I do this with my Nikon D7000, importing to my iPad only from the jpeg card. I use a large card for raw and a smaller one for jpeg. The only drawback is when reviewing images in camera, I have to scroll through 2 images for each shot because the camera presents one from each slot.
Currently Being ModeratedMay 17, 2013 1:16 AM (in response to iSteve02)
My camera bodies do not have a second slot, so I am out on this work around, that in my opinion shouldn't exist in the first place.
I did write a suggestion to Apple and I think, if enough people would also do that, then we might have the slight chance to have this feature implemented in a future iOS update, even under iOS 6x. Unfortunaltely, only few people take the time and effort to write.
Currently Being ModeratedJul 17, 2013 12:51 PM (in response to Naturalbornsamy)
I have the same problem. I have up to 80GB of SD cards on me during a typical athletics afternoon. I don't want to import RAW onto my iPad, just the 6M jpgs. But there is no simple way to achieve this. This reduces the usability of the iPad as a photography tool greatly. And I got a second iPad especially for that, sadly withhout testing it very thoroughly. I guess nobody at Apple uses an iPad to preview pics.
Currently Being ModeratedJul 18, 2013 2:53 AM (in response to Naturalbornsamy)
working with the iPad for a couple of month now, I have to conclude, that it is useless for me as far as my photographic workflow is concerned. That is a pitty, because it has so much potential, but no software that would bring it all together in one simple to use application. And it is sad, because it would certainly not take much at all to implement a few badly needed features in camera roll.
I also tried to put my portfolio on the iPad, but that is also a task, that I would have never thought to be such a problem. I bought and tried out just about any application, that would be useful for photo presentation, but there is not one single app, that can do all the few basic things, that I need it to do, which are:
- transfer photos directly from Mac to iPad into application
- put them in different categories
- be able to sort them in the order I want them without having to rename every single photo in ascending filename order
- display them as a slideshow or be able to manually flip through them in full screen mode without any tool bars or other distracting symbols
I have spend two days fiddeling around with about 10 apps, that were supposed to be great for that kind of purpose, but my conclusion is so far, that I have to learn cocoa and programm my own app, if I want all those feartures united in one software.
I really hope, that iOS 7 will unleash more potential for photographic purposes, because it could be such a powerful tool, if you did not have to take 5 cumbersome detour steps to get one thing done.
my2cents so far as photo workflow is concerned.
Currently Being ModeratedJul 18, 2013 9:49 AM (in response to Naturalbornsamy)Hello and sorry for my english,
I also have the problem that I want to have separate RAW and Jpeg.
I need to get my raw images for later editing on a PC, jpeg only preview the go.
I do it like this:
I only Raw Scan and save it on my Ipad.
Then I open it with Iphoto and save all recordings Raw images in the folder.
Now the Ipad convert the images in jpeg.
And you have the desired effect.
I save both files to an external hard drive yet, the Intenso Memory 2 Move (with 1TB memory :)).
Which can only show the way, Jpeg, that was my problem why do I need jpeg.
Currently Being ModeratedJul 18, 2013 1:00 PM (in response to Aroja)
Yep , but the iPhoto method is not without its issues .
1. Max number of files 100
2. Not very quick when your doing a large batch
3. iPhoto messes up your file numbers .
4. Importing a large number of raw files via the camera connection kit is slow .
5. Your filling up space in the iPad to do this . And even when you delete the raw files once iPhoto has given you the jpegs you may not get all the space back . I was importing lots of raw and deleting all the ones I didn't want over a long period . I couldn't work out why I was running out of space on the iPad . But when I connected it to the PC there was over 15gb of 'other' space . Which was Basicly lost space . I tried everything but eventually just wiped the iPad and started again .
6. And while on the subject of deleting files in te photos app why do apple make it so bloody tedious ? Yes you can use the 2 finger wipe but even so its not quick . Come on give us a 'select all ' option
Infact a number of ways apple should make the photos app better to use .(other than the jpeg thing of course)
1. When I move a file to a selected folder, please let me move the the actual file .
2. If I delete a file from a of folder (other than the camera roll or import folder) give me the option to delete the file from the iPad . Going into the camera roll or import folder is stupid . You can have a great many files in there . (See above about deleting:))
Infact there is a better way than the iPhoto way now . Photosmith will import the embedded jpeg from a raw file (which is what iPhoto does when it exports) . You can then send that jpeg back to the camera roll . Actually You can send it to a folder (that you either create or is already present) . The import process is quite long, but no worse than iPhoto export (quicker Infact) and you can do more than 100 . Its not a foolproof app by any means as its known to crash a bit (used to be almost unusable) but it is quite effective . It also manages to keep the same file names .
Its main purpose is to link with Lightroom but it is usable on its own for jpeg striping .
Currently Being ModeratedSep 13, 2013 11:21 AM (in response to Naturalbornsamy)
I use the app FileBrowser after copy the raw&jpg file by connection kit. This app can "see" both file types and I copy it to the Wi-Drive from Kingston.
Currently Being ModeratedOct 2, 2013 9:20 PM (in response to Naturalbornsamy)
Did iOS7 change anything in this regard? I know that hopes were high for photographers. However, it seems to me that the problem still exists :/
Currently Being ModeratedOct 2, 2013 11:53 PM (in response to lockenjunge)
nope, in iOS7 camera roll still has none of the features, that we would desperately need. Besides the face lift, there is nothing t impeove our lives.
I really don't understand, how these guys at Apple are using their camera roll app and seem to never stumble across all these little missing features, that would make live so much easier. If I would sit down with a programmer at Apple for a week, this app would have tons of new features that everybody would ask, how he could ever do without them before!