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Figuring out podcasts in iTunes 11.1 and iOS 7.

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  • preludio Level 2 Level 2 (190 points)
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    Sep 22, 2013 11:51 AM (in response to Lost in Asia)

    By chance I figured out the trick that stopped the episodes from being deleted in my case. If subscribe to the podcast while the episodes are in iTunes, they stay. Even if I immediately unsubscribe, they stay.

     

    If I simply download a few episodes while unsubscribed, the episodes disappear upon launching iTunes again. That is, the episodes are still listed in the finder even when iTunes closes. But when it's opened again, they just wink out of existence. I watched it happen by keeping a window open behind iTunes but partially visible. The files don't go to the trash; they just disappear.

     

    I hope this isn't Apple's desired behavior; I find it baffling that simply toggling the subscription on and off would signal to iTunes to keep certain files.

  • preludio Level 2 Level 2 (190 points)
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    Sep 22, 2013 11:56 AM (in response to Lost in Asia)

    Regarding Lost in Asia's request for non-Apple podcast handling:

     

    I believe both Downcast and Instacast now have Mac clients as well as iOS apps. I haven't tried either of them, and they're both early in their development, so research them before committing.

  • Old and Slow but not Dumb Calculating status...
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    Sep 27, 2013 10:04 AM (in response to Lost in Asia)

    My Stations was my issue. Who would have thought your smart playlist with Podcasts would be considered a Station. I have no interest in internet radio so I just ignored My Stations. Sometimes you just can't think like the folks at Apple (or really they don't think like the rest of us).

  • ChicagoBubba Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)
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    Sep 28, 2013 1:50 PM (in response to Lost in Asia)

    Ever since I updated to iTunes 11.1 on my iMac with 10.8.5 every click in iTunes, iTunes freezes for at least 25-60 seconds. Some of my podcasts are missing in iTunes now (due to the new unpopular method iTunes sorts and labels podcasts), and they were there before the update. Some only show in 'My Podcasts' view, while some show in 'List" view. Some are only showing as in the cloud, but I had already downloaded these podcasts months and years ago and they are still in the same location on my hard drive. Playing these podcasts that I already downloaded are playing from iCloud not the downloaded file location on my hard drive.

     

    I tried to uncheck all the options in Preferences > Store, but nothing was improved, even after a rebooting OS X. I did find that if I disabled my network connection, iTunes would respond appropriately. However, re-enabling my network connection fouls up iTunes.

     

    There is obviously a bug with how Podcasts sync across devices and in iCloud. Right now, Podcasts are not unusable for me. I have used iTunes feedback to report this issue.

     

    It's time for Apple to recognize that podcasts are important to many of us, and they need to stop treating podcasts as a ******* feature. But since most podcasts are free, Apple cares less about supporting them in iTunes.

  • ChicagoBubba Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)
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    Sep 28, 2013 6:51 PM (in response to ChicagoBubba)

    UPDATE:

     

    I haven't resolved the terrible lag in iTunes 11.1, but I did find a way to restore the podcast library issue from this post: what happened to my playlists? I just loaded version 11.0.4.4 and all my playlists and songs uploaded from CDs to iTunes disapeared!!!! using turingtest2's suggestion of restoring the iTunes Library.itl.Most likely, the 11.1 update created a backup for you and stored it in the Previous iTunes LIbrary folder.Just look at the date and time, and you should see one right about the day and time you upgraded to 11.1.

     

    The interesting thing is that after restoring the file, iTunes gave me the podcast setup screen, and this time I unchecked "sync podcasts subscriptions, settings and stations". (I'll probably sync them after this issue is fixed.) The My Podcasts view is still unsorted, but using click and drag I can re-sort them alphabetically or any way I want.

  • Rickyscv Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Sep 28, 2013 7:16 PM (in response to ChicagoBubba)

    When you say the podcasts are unsorted, do you mean they aren't even listed in the order that they were downloaded in each subscription folder within podcasts in iTunes?

  • ChicagoBubba Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)
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    Sep 28, 2013 7:30 PM (in response to Rickyscv)

    I'm talking about the order they are listed on the left side in My Podcasts view. But they are ordered properly in each subscription (newest on top) which can be changed by clicking the settings button in the title pane.

  • ChicagoBubba Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)
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    Sep 28, 2013 7:31 PM (in response to ChicagoBubba)

    I have another update:

     

    Just now while writing this post I just got a thought and decided to uncheck the View Option (cmd J) "Show Artwork" option for Podcasts in List view. VOILA, iTunes completely sprang to life!

     

    After iTunes 11.1 re-added List view, I ran around iTunes and checked the "show artwork" option for all views I could in iTunes. I have a very large library with thousands of custom album art, so I like to see my album art in List view. However, the problem for me was in the Podcasts List view with showing artwork. Turning only that one off, fixed my lag and freeze issue. All other areas of iTunes that have this option doesn't affect iTunes speed at all (i.e. Movies, TV Shows, Music (Song View), ONLY Podcasts List view with Show Artwork option set froze up iTunes.

     

    Now I'm going to try and turning sync back on to see if I lag again or not. I'm crossing my fingers and hope it was only an album art malfunction in Podcasts that was fouling it all up. I'll report what happens after I turn sync back on.

  • ChicagoBubba Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)
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    Sep 28, 2013 8:19 PM (in response to ChicagoBubba)

    Turning Sync back on for Podcasts didn't cause lag, so I'm assuming it was the artwork issue I talked about in my previous posts.

     

    However, now some of my podcasts now have a subscribe button which seems to be the culprit of my missing podcasts. Subscribing changes my downloaded podcasts to cloud podcasts and then they stream and not play off my hard drive, but unsubscribing changes it back to playing off my hard drive picking up where I left off.

     

    For now, syncing podcast subscriptions across devices seems to ignore your downloaded podcasts in iTunes and streams them instead and ignores ones that can't be subscribed to (i.e. older, discontinued podcasts). I'm not sure I like how that works out, so I'm not going to sync using iCloud until it's changed to not ignore downloaded podcasts.

  • Enchantr1978 Calculating status...
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    Sep 30, 2013 3:59 PM (in response to Lost in Asia)

    Thank you Lost in Asia (and all the other contributors) for this excellent discussion. At least I know I'm not going crazy since updating to iOS 7/iTunes 11.1. Like many, my carefully constructed podcast system was rendered immediately useless, and I've strugged for the past week to figure out all the new behaviors and bugs. Basically I'm trying to accomplish the same thing as Lost in Asia--with the added requirement that I want to separate podcasts into several lists based on star rating--and have come to the same conclusions, namely:

     

    1. The podcast app is pretty good for managing podcasts on the device and managing "stations." Used in isolation it behaves as expected, which is a good first step.

     

    2. Syncing between devices and iTunes doesn't work in any way that's useful, and thus should be abandoned, since the libraries essentially need to be managed separately anyway. I'll probably develop something like what Lost in Asia is doing and use iTunes strictly for managing podcasts I want to archive semi-permanently while using my iDevices with AirPlay for general playback.

     

    I would like to add, for anyone else trying to engineer a semi-complicated podcast download/curation system, that smart playlists DO NOT sync correctly either, at least in some cases. I have one particular smart playlist with fairly complex rules involving played/unplayed, number of stars, and episode/podcast names, and it does not sync properly. Specifically, starred (rated) podcasts will sync, while those without ratings will not. I haven't done a lot of testing to see which particular criteria are causing the problem, or if there are work-arounds, because all the other paradigm changes and bugs have rendered my system useless for other reasons, so not much point in wasting time.

     

    With that, alas, Apple has screwed up every conceivable way to acheive the functionality I want, so, like everyone else, I'll construct the best new system I can and live with it until a better solution comes along. It's a pity they managed to make it both less useful, and harder to manage. That takes a very special kind of incompetence and/or apathy. Or perhaps "strategic apathy" if they are indeed trying to move people away from the download model.

     

    If anyone else has encountered smart playlist syncing problems involving stars and figured out a workaround, I love to hear about it.

  • Apple_ID_Otero Calculating status...
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    Sep 30, 2013 7:20 PM (in response to Lost in Asia)

    Ive had a problem syncing the  podcasts between itunes 11.1 and the new OS. i could transfer everything but my podcast .

    After the upgrade my devices had the lastest version of the prodcasts via the new Podcast app.

    I typically use a smart folder to download/transfer files to my devices. My Smart Folder is usually full of older podcast.

    When I try to sync , Itunes hangs (viewed via the monitor , "not Responding")

     

    I just found a setting under "My Stations"  . "Include All Podcast".

    I turned it off and my machines are back to normal.

     

    Looks like that the importance of this setting hasn't been properly communicated.

     

     

    hopes this helps some.

  • kelmcd Calculating status...
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    Sep 30, 2013 8:04 PM (in response to Lost in Asia)

    I used to manage podcasts on my iphone through itunes by dragging the podcast from itunes and dropping it on my iphone. I can still do this with music, but not with podcasts. I should add that I'm using an iphone 4, and I haven't updated to ios7. Has anyone else had this problem? Any ideas?

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