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What are your thoughts on the New iTunes 11?

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  • Gandalf The Grey Level 2 Level 2 (275 points)
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    Jun 12, 2013 8:49 PM (in response to gojirasan)

    Well instead of being a guine pig I went back to version 10. I think they are trying to get programs up and running so everything fits well wit the new OS7, but it is screwing things up big time.

     

    gojirasan,

     

    Try erasing iTunes, not your libary of course, and re-installing it. Even in 11 you need to tell it where the libary is otherwise you will get error messages.

     

    Everyone look back in previous post on how to bet back to a previous version it can be done! I have done it twice so far.

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    Cool - Will try. Thanks Gandalf! Cheers.

  • DKEA Calculating status...
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    Sep 21, 2013 4:56 AM (in response to Porf)

    I am interested in the delete policy here  -- another post of mine on anoter thread was deleted for ranting, but it was quite tame compared to what's on this thread!

    itunes 11 is too bad for words. It cost me over half of my files.

     

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  • abombaci Level 2 Level 2 (250 points)
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    Sep 21, 2013 1:09 AM (in response to Porf)

       Simple . . . Don't fix it if it ain't broke! (10.7) that is!

  • Paul Richards4 Level 1 Level 1 (75 points)
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    Sep 21, 2013 1:49 AM (in response to abombaci)

    I prefer..

     

    If it ain't broke, don't BREAK it.

  • turingtest2 Level 8 Level 8 (43,845 points)
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    Sep 21, 2013 3:37 AM (in response to DKEA)

    DKEA wrote:

     

    I am interested in the delete policy here  -- another post of mine on anoter thread was deleted for ranting, but it was quite tame compared to what's on this thread!

    itunes 11 is too bad for words. It cost me over half of my files. If there is a class action law suit for data theft, I am all in.

     

    Nobody stole anything. If iTunes deleted your data in error then the licensing terms that you agreed to when you installed the software ensure that Apple can't be held liable for your loss. It is your responsibility to backup your data.

     

    Hopefully we're just looking at a case of library corruption, and the media is still where it is supposed to be. If so see Empty/corrupt library after upgrade/crash for a resolution.

     

    tt2

  • Mark Block Level 2 Level 2 (270 points)
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    Sep 21, 2013 6:37 AM (in response to turingtest2)

    turingtest2 wrote:

    Hopefully we're just looking at a case of library corruption, and the media is still where it is supposed to be. If so see Empty/corrupt library after upgrade/crash for a resolution.

     

    That's correct, I think. There is no mechansm by which the iTunes 11 installer could actually delete the media. The database, yes, but not the music files. In every case I know of that someone reported their music was gone, it turned out the media itself was still on the hard drive but not recognized by iTunes.

     

    That said, I would be pretty upset if iTunes lost the database. That's why I keep a backup. Once I had to re-create a friend's iTunes library after his computer "had issues." His music files were on a Drobo RAID, but his iTunes library was toast. Not fun, but not a disaster.

  • turingtest2 Level 8 Level 8 (43,845 points)
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    Sep 21, 2013 6:59 AM (in response to Mark Block)

    Mark Block wrote:


    That's correct, I think. There is no mechansm by which the iTunes 11 installer could actually delete the media. The database, yes, but not the music files. In every case I know of that someone reported their music was gone, it turned out the media itself was still on the hard drive but not recognized by iTunes...

     

    iTunes 11.1 actually ate a whole chunk of my podcast archive!

     

    Thankfully I had it all backed up and I think I've understood and elimiated the options that "told it to do so". I'm also tracking a possible issue with originals being deleted when downsampled files are sent to the device, but I've yet to personally replicate that problem.

     

    Murphy's law always applies, so make those backups!

     

    tt2

  • Paul Richards4 Level 1 Level 1 (75 points)
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    Sep 22, 2013 5:13 AM (in response to Porf)

    getting back to the original thread, i have now had to 'upgrade' to iTunes 11, just so i can get iOS7 on my phone.

    i waited as long as possible, in the hope that some fixes would make it better than it was last time i tried it, several months ago.

    but;

    principal complaint is that i can no longer update my old iPod 1. it is not recognised. Bad apple.

     

    but regarding day to day usability, is iTunes 11 better than it's predecessor?

    i know everyone uses iTunes differently, but for me, it's much less user friendly than 10.7. It's clearly not meant to be used with the sidebar, but without it, the whole interface is unecessarily complicated and badly in need of simplification - the thing Apple have always been great at. Worst of all is that nasty little dropdown bar that the program hinges around; it's so windoze. Havent we always used icons? And hasn't apple always been really good at making the important things noticeable, and the peripherals harder to find. It's suddenly all backwards.

     

    I often look at clock radios, central heating controls, dvd players etc and wish that the interface had been developed by Apple, because for thirty years they have been the masters.

     

    Come on Apple, fix this. It's one of the fundamental parts of your offer and it's really not very good.

  • Glassix Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Sep 22, 2013 11:08 PM (in response to Paul Richards4)

    I'm still on 10.7 and trying to hold out. Apple is now forcing more and more to move to the craptastic iTunes 11 because of iOS7, but without addressing any of the iTunes users concerns. And after reading your post I'm worried my iPod Classic 5.5 won't even work in iTunes 11!

  • Kim Hill1 Level 2 Level 2 (160 points)
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    Sep 22, 2013 11:28 PM (in response to Paul Richards4)

    I posted my method for sticking with iTunes 10.7 while using iOS 7 in the other big iTunes 11 thread:

     

    https://discussions.apple.com/thread/4554044

     

    * Boot from a different (temporary) hard disk volume, which has iTunes 11.1 on it.

     

    * Copy over my active iTunes library (from iTunes v.10.7) to the proper location in the iTunes folder on the temporary boot disk.

     

    * Launch iTunes (11.1) on the temporary boot disk, which then quickly converts the library for use with iTunes 11.1.

     

    * Upgrade iPhone & iPad to iOS 7.

     

    * Go back to using my main hard disk, which still has iTunes 10.7

     

    Note that every time I want to sync my iOS devices, I'll have to boot from the temporary hard disk, replace its iTunes library with the current iTunes library from my main hard disk, and have it converted once more for iTunes 11.1. But I only sync a couple times a week, and this is a price I'm willing to pay in order to be able to manage my cover art.

     

    Note: for sync to work, the iTunes library on the temporary hard disk has to point to your real iTunes music folder, which is probably on your main hard disk. To get around this, I made a symbolic link (use something like this: http://www.macworld.com/article/1144680/symboliclinker.html ) to the "real" music folder. There are probably more ways to do this, too.

     

    So far, so good!

  • Kenan Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Sep 24, 2013 12:48 PM (in response to Porf)

    folks:

    1. don't upgraged ot iOS7
    2. don't upgrade to any newer iTunes higher than 10.7
    3. submit feedback about CoverFlow here: http://www.apple.com/feedback/itunesapp.html
    4. submit feedback at Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/iTunesCA
  • abombaci Level 2 Level 2 (250 points)
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    Sep 24, 2013 4:50 PM (in response to Kenan)

       Very good instructions!

  • snappler Calculating status...
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    Oct 1, 2013 10:21 PM (in response to Porf)

    I love the new itunes,

     

    I never used it before, it lacked a lot of functionality in search and options to preview your albums and artists, now it is genius !!, excellent search capacities and ways of viewing your albums, artists etc, and great way of adding tacks to the playlist and deleting them etc, fantastic, now I use it all the time. also great enhancements to podcast subscriptions. those complaining obviously havent given it the time to learn it. (you still have your old layout options if you wish to set it up that way.

  • pegaudet Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Oct 2, 2013 4:59 AM (in response to snappler)

    snappler wrote:

     

    those complaining obviously havent given it the time to learn it. (you still have your old layout options if you wish to set it up that way.

     

    I do have 11.1 installed on a second computer and I do use it from time to time, I just don't use it on my real music library, and I do have the old layout set up.

     

    Beyond the complete redesign of the UI (like hovering over a little (>) button that only appears if you hover over a certain spot to get a list of commands to play next/add to queue, etc), there are many useful options that have been removed.

     

    One of the features used frequently enough for me is to pick a smart playlist that has all my music thrown in together (for example, all music I haven't listened to in 6 months). Most of the time, that's enough, but every now and then, I want some consistency and want to stick to one genre or another. In version 10.7 and earlier, even the playlists could let you group by genre, and play by genre.

     

    With version 11, the only way to do that is to spawn off a half dozen new playlists based on that one alone, with an extra clause to say "this genre" or "that genre".... if you already have a dozen playlists, that makes for a lot more you didn't want, just because itunes 11 became "simplified".

     

    Complaints are not just about where buttons are, but where features used to be and are no longer.

     

    I personally think it's ok, but not as powerful, as featureful, easy to use or loveable as previous versions.

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