Currently Being ModeratedSep 23, 2013 2:42 PM (in response to The Mac Clam)
The Mac Clam wrote:
Have you noticed as one last kick for iTunes users who are already disappointed with no cover flow, that any music you dont buy from iTunes Store will NOT show the record cover preview icon in the finder? ...
Not true. Hopefully the Genius people will eventually figure it out for you, but for me the covers are displayed as icons on all my music in the Finder. That includes mp3s from Amazon and eMusic, as well as rips from CD. Less than 1% of my music has been purchased from the iTunes store, and I have about 30,000 tracks on the laptop I'm typing on now.
This is OT, but have you checked your View Options? Every folder can have it's own view, so if your Amazon music is in a different folder than your iTunes-purchased music, it might have the setting for "Show Icon Preview" unchecked.
Currently Being ModeratedSep 23, 2013 6:35 PM (in response to abombaci)
So Happy to See This Thread Continue!!
I have kept one of my Macs (I have three... Home, Work and Laptop) on iTunes 10.7 and it will stay. I won't upgrade my iOS on my iPhone and I am keeping my iPod Classic... I ....hate.... the freakin' cloud and iTunes 11 has nothing I want.
Besides the thousands of dollars I have spent, like well into the 5 figures, between myself and my 4 kids, on iMacs, MBPs, iPhones, iPods... not to mention the mini I bought for my mom... but I don't spend a whole lot of money on iTunes content... so I am not a customer I guess that they really want...
So, I am on the watch for a good Mac OSX music player that will suit me better... like with a coverflow, playlist management I can work with and without the aggressive content marketing and the cloud... just a good solid music player. So, hopefully an alternative will be developed... and when I find it... I am outta here... and I gotta tell ya, some of the iPhone alternatives look interesting, those from Sony, Samsung, Moto... hmmmmm....
Apple. *** are you doing?
Currently Being ModeratedSep 23, 2013 7:35 PM (in response to MacPow75)
I don;t understand the "strip the features and don't worry if it crashes or freezes" attitude, but many people in music, motion picture, and television are looking for a replacement for iTunes. It used to be the favorite, but the powers that be seem to be more interested in kids with iPhones than anyone else.
You'd think long term customers would be of more importance.
Currently Being ModeratedSep 24, 2013 10:35 AM (in response to abombaci)
Amazing that this thread, probably the longest thread on the Apple Support forum, has not done anything to make Apple reconsider the implementation of Cover Flow. Instead Apple has NOW removed Cover Flow from iOS 7.1. So those of us dumb enough to have upgraded to iTunes 11, but still enjoyed Cover Flow on our iDevices, no longer have that luxury. As Apple has decided to take the technology, that they own mind you, and bury it after getting everyone addicted to it. If Steve was still here, this would be addressed, and an even better version of Cover Flow with back sides and album track names on them would be released instead of this cloak and dagger BS that Apple now uses to ignore their user base.
Currently Being ModeratedSep 24, 2013 11:14 AM (in response to Ren Petrauskas)
Ren Petrauskas wrote:
Amazing that this thread, probably the longest thread on the Apple Support forum, has not done anything to make Apple reconsider the implementation of Cover Flow....
I hope that's true about this being the longest thread ever. Let's keep it going. Can't hurt.
When iTunes 11 came out last Fall, Apple told some of its "insider" journalist friends that Cover Flow was removed because very few people used it. I never believed that story. My latest theory: Apple leaked that tidbit to the "thought leaders" to head off potential criticism. Some reviewers bust Apple's chops about missing features in Apple products in order to seem credible and balanced, but no one busted Apple about removing Cover Flow. By telling reviewers that essentially no one used Cover Flow, and by touting the (preposterous) design focus on simplicity and user friendliness, those reviewers decided that if credibility with readers was important, it was best not to make a big deal about a missing feature that no one wanted anyway.
I don't know how Apple hit on the "no one uses it" idea. Was there a germ of truth there? Maybe. It's probably correct to say the Cover Flow was used less than other views, but Apple's research (if there was research) missed something critical that Ren points out: People who did use it got addicted to it -- and have trouble using iTunes without it. The actual usage may have been small in terms of percentage of total usage, but people who like Cover Flow were (and are) passionate about it. We like it a lot.
To be honest, I don't feel strongly about Cover Flow in the Finder, where it still exists. I don't feel that strongly about it on my iOS device, where the screen is a bit too small to really appreciate it. It was in iTunes on my Mac that it really shined and proved addictive, but that's the first place where Apple ditched it. Bad Apple.
Currently Being ModeratedSep 24, 2013 12:20 PM (in response to Mark Block)
I've been following another thread about iTunes 11 and it's been going for the same amount of time (both started by different people on Nov. 29, 2012:
That thread is up to 96 pages and covers other glaring problems with 11, along with the loss of coverflow.
All we can do is keep complaining here, while submitting feedback directly to Apple too: http://www.apple.com/feedback/itunesapp.html
Someone also suggested tweeting directly to Tim Cook, now that he's on twitter: https://mobile.twitter.com/tim_cook
I don't think we're asking for much either, so why we're being ignored is confusing. Plus we're trying to make something better again.
Currently Being ModeratedSep 24, 2013 10:39 PM (in response to abombaci)
Hmmm . . . Let's see now . . . That's fishy! Noticed on the feedback page when they asked "What Version Of iTunes Are You Running?" from a drop down box, 10.7 isn't even listed?
It's like no one at Apple is allowed to speak of 10.7 ever again! Maybe they think it never existed. LOL.
Still amazes me that they took features away and dumbed the program down. I have faith that they'll come to their senses and give us something worth upgrading to. In the meantime MANY unhappy (and loyal) people wait in limbo with no updates to iOS, no hardware purchases that require iTunes 11, and unfortunately an eye open for other alternatives.
Currently Being ModeratedSep 25, 2013 6:24 AM (in response to Glassix)
Well, I doubt that there will be enough pressure from the outside to make Apple change their plans with iTunes, or any other apps. They have their vision, which for quite a few years has been exciting for me to observe and in some cases take part in. Perhaps it will become that way again, who knows.
I believe that the powers that be in the music industry, not the artists, have a vision for how music is sold and disseminated that is very very different than mine.
Up until now, big technical changes were only that, technical.... In my lifetime, it was the LP for an album, a 45 for a single and 8 track if you wanted to hear it in the car or reel to reel at home… then it was cassette and for the uber hip, a 10 or 12 inch special release EP or remix.... or the MFSL pressing if you were an audiophile... and, of course, in 1982, the compact disc.... Revolutionary??? Not really, digital yes, of course, but the product.... a collection of songs, in order, with album art and all... just without surface clicks and pops and sometimes they even sounded better... and the cassette pretty quickly became obsolete, seein' as how you play the CD in the car and they didn't scratch so easily.
The essential product was the same… for most of us it was an ALBUM… A collection of, usually, the latest songs written and/or performed by a single artist or group, sometimes with a common idea or theme, presented in the way the artist and producer intended. And accompanying artwork that we could enjoy, or not, and that may in some way, overtly, or subliminally, somehow enhance or change our musical experience. It was the whole package… the physical disc, the art, all that…
The revolutionary change for recorded music was not that it became digital… but what could now be delivered… on our computers and then over the internet… iTunes was a bridge, and a pretty **** good one… I could approach it from an evolutionary POV… I literally burned 500 of my CD's and scanned or downloaded all of the album art into my iTunes library, and with the help of coverflow… I had the same type of experience, with the sweep of a finger I could flip through all those beautifully arranged and illustrated CDs and pick out what I wanted to listen to… My kids? Well… they like their playlists and don't bother with whole albums, and listen to their music in whole new ways, and it is often on iTunes…But for me…and this is the point of my way too long post…I access my music just as I have since 1969, when I bought my first vinyl LP, Steve Miller's "Sailor" with the 5 bucks I got on my 12th birthday… and so…for the past 45+ years I have conceptualized and interacted with my music in essentially the exact same way.
That of course is the real reason I hate this new iTunes. Apple has lost interest bridging that gap, in using resources, be it human or silicon, to allow me and others like me, to continue our evolutionary journey, rather than their revolutionary one.
It was no mere graphics change when the icon for iTunes 10 changed from a representation of a CD with a bridged 8th note hovering over it ... to a button with the bridged 8th note embedded in the center… I will believe that coverflow is coming back when they rewind their icon… and that ain't gonna happen.
And I do resent it. Big time. Blazing new trails is certainly important. But where they (we) are now would not be would not be without those who came before us. And from my perspective, it seems that those young folks over at Apple are drinking a whole lot of corporate Kool Aid and are in danger of losing their way.
Currently Being ModeratedSep 25, 2013 7:34 AM (in response to MacPow75)
The revolutionary change for recorded music was not that it became digital… but what could now be delivered… on our computers and then over the internet… iTunes was a bridge, and a pretty **** good one… I could approach it from an evolutionary POV… I literally burned 500 of my CD's and scanned or downloaded all of the album art into my iTunes library, and with the help of coverflow… I had the same type of experience, with the sweep of a finger I could flip through all those beautifully arranged and illustrated CDs and pick out what I wanted to listen to… My kids? Well… they like their playlists and don't bother with whole albums, and listen to their music in whole new ways....
Interesting perspective. The sea change happened when Steve Jobs talked the record companies into the $.99 per song model (which they accepted because of Jobs' Svengali-like persuasive abilities, lucky timing, and the fact that otherwise kids would download the songs for free). At that point the era of albums began its decline.
You're saying that in a song-oriented era (sort of like the old 45 rpm single era), flipping through artistic album covers is relatively unimportant because the main music customers (young people) don't play albums. I like that theory. It's not that iTunes developers at Apple hate Cover Flow graphics, they just don't see the point.
However, my oldest son in college does play albums and likes the cover art. When new albums from his favorite artists "drop," it's a big deal. I came home from work earlier this summer and found about 8 college-age kids in my family room listening to the new Kanye West album all the way through on my high-end stereo. The album (not officially released yet, of course) had become available online and they all wanted to hear it as an album -- a cohesive artistic statement.
I'm with you, MacPow. I wish Apple would let us old timers flip through album covers the way we've been doing it most of our lives, even though the times are a'changin'. They took that ability away for seemingly no good reason.