14 Replies Latest reply: Sep 30, 2013 9:06 PM by Dirty Vegas
zBernie2 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

My contract with Verizon ends in a few weeks for my iPhone 4s.  I had Verizon unlock the phone.  I thought I was going to get a SIM card from StraightTalk, and go with their unlimited $45/month plan which my wife has.  I just spoke with StraightTalk, and they do not support phones which are coming from another provider.   Essentially you have to purchase the phone from WalMart.  Very dissapointing.

 

Is there any way I can get a SIM card from a provider, and get a cheap unlimited plan?

 

-Thanks


iPhone 4S
  • 1. Re: Can I transfer iPhone 4s to unlimited plan?
    jfaul013 Level 2 Level 2 (245 points)

    With the phone being unlocked you can use the phone with any carrier as long as you have a micro SIM for that carrier.  Walmart is telling you that because that person wants to sell you a phone.  I work in the cellular retail world and we do it all the time.  If nothing else you can literally set up a straightalk plan, put no money on it, and buy a micro sim (or a cheap phone that has a micro SIM in it) turn off your iPhone 4s and pop the SIM card out of the side slot and put in the straightalk one and power it back on to see if you start getting the typical texts saying "please add money to your account".  At most it'll be 20 dollars to get a sim or 30 dollars to get a phone with the micro SIM in it.

  • 2. Re: Can I transfer iPhone 4s to unlimited plan?
    Meg St._Clair Level 8 Level 8 (38,425 points)

    When Verizon unlocks an iPhone 4S, it's only unlocked for international travel. It won't work on GSM networks in the U.S. An unlocked AT&T iPhone 4S would work. The Verizon iPhone 4S won't work on the CDMA network that Straighttalk is now using as it was not sold for that.

     

    It sounds to me as if the StraightTalk rep was explaining things correctly.

  • 3. Re: Can I transfer iPhone 4s to unlimited plan?
    zBernie2 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I just spoke to T-Mobile, and they said I can buy a SIM card from them for $10, and get one of their plans.  She said you can have our individual plan with unlimited talk, text, and web for only $50 with 500MB of high speed data, $60 for 2GB high speed data, and $70 for Unlimited high speed data.

  • 4. Re: Can I transfer iPhone 4s to unlimited plan?
    jfaul013 Level 2 Level 2 (245 points)

    Verizons system for 3G works off of a CDMA system as far as the last training seminar I was at. I was honestly spacing out so I could be wrong.  GSM is only used by primarily AT&T that I knew of.  Verizon shouldn't be able to restrict the unlock feature simply because they're Verizon.  I've taken a Verizon iPhone 4 that was out of contract and unlocked and moved it onto a sprint account before.  Both Sprint and Verizon use CDMA technology and AT&T uses GSM.  I pulled the information concerning the type of network Verizon uses via multiple sites within quick google search e.g.:

     

    http://www.phonecan.com/index.php/the-basics-understanding-verizon-s-network-tec hnologies

  • 5. Re: Can I transfer iPhone 4s to unlimited plan?
    ChrisJ4203 Level 7 Level 7 (28,185 points)

    And as Meg stated, the unlocked Verizon phone will not work with a domestic carrier.

  • 6. Re: Can I transfer iPhone 4s to unlimited plan?
    Meg St._Clair Level 8 Level 8 (38,425 points)

    jfaul013 wrote:

     

    Verizon shouldn't be able to restrict the unlock feature simply because they're Verizon.

    And yet they do.

    I've taken a Verizon iPhone 4 that was out of contract and unlocked and moved it onto a sprint account before.

    "Unlocked" is not a relevant term for a CDMA phone.  Yes, Verizon and Sprint both use CDMA for their voice and 3G. But, in order to do move an phone from Verizon to Sprint, you would have needed to make unauthorized modifications to the phone. We can't discuss that here.

  • 7. Re: Can I transfer iPhone 4s to unlimited plan?
    Meg St._Clair Level 8 Level 8 (38,425 points)

    ChrisJ4203 wrote:

     

    And as Meg stated, the unlocked Verizon phone will not work with a domestic carrier.

    Just to clarify, that's only true of the unlocked 4S. The iPhone 5 (and, as I understand it the 5C and 5S) are completely unlocked. But Straightalk still won't use them.

  • 8. Re: Can I transfer iPhone 4s to unlimited plan?
    Dirty Vegas Level 4 Level 4 (1,430 points)

    The 5s has not been released in a factory unlocked configuration.

  • 9. Re: Can I transfer iPhone 4s to unlimited plan?
    ChrisJ4203 Level 7 Level 7 (28,185 points)

    True. I made the statement based on what the OP saying they had a 4S. I was aware of the difference in the 5 and newer based on the FCC ruling regarding obtaining LTE bands. You are still my "go to" person when it comes to Verizon.

  • 10. Re: Can I transfer iPhone 4s to unlimited plan?
    jfaul013 Level 2 Level 2 (245 points)

    I'm not trying to be confrontational and attempting to understand the limitations present within the community.  If the feature of "unlocking" doesn't allow a phone to be used on other carriers other than verizon, why would it even be a feature.  Could you better define "Unlocked" as it may be relevant here in the communities?  It was to my understanding that considering logical reasoning that

     

    1) Apple sells unlocked phones

    2) "Unlocking" is a term that which a phone that is no longer under contract (in effect paid off in full) is released from the restriction of the carrier

    3) The phone can then be attached to any carrier that supports iPhones and the types of networks are the same (CDMA>CDMA or GSM>GSM)

     

    I'm confused why what I am saying is in violation of the regulations of the community and/or misleading.  Again I know this sounds like I am being aggressive however that's not the intention of this post, I'm seeking clarity to the situation.

  • 11. Re: Can I transfer iPhone 4s to unlimited plan?
    Meg St._Clair Level 8 Level 8 (38,425 points)

    Dirty Vegas wrote:

     

    The 5s has not been released in a factory unlocked configuration.

    It's my understanding that Verizon's agreement with the FCC requires that the iPhones they sell, starting with the 5, be unlocked. It's been difficult to get absolute confirmation but most of my sources say that it is unlocked. But, I've been wrong before.

  • 12. Re: Can I transfer iPhone 4s to unlimited plan?
    Meg St._Clair Level 8 Level 8 (38,425 points)

    ChrisJ4203 wrote:

     

    True. I made the statement based on what the OP saying they had a 4S. I was aware of the difference in the 5 and newer based on the FCC ruling regarding obtaining LTE bands. You are still my "go to" person when it comes to Verizon.

    I just wanted to make sure everything was clear for the studio audience!

  • 13. Re: Can I transfer iPhone 4s to unlimited plan?
    Meg St._Clair Level 8 Level 8 (38,425 points)

    jfaul013 wrote:

     

    1) Apple sells unlocked phones

    2) "Unlocking" is a term that which a phone that is no longer under contract (in effect paid off in full) is released from the restriction of the carrier

    Not necessarily. Verizon will unlock phones for their customers as long as they have been customers in good standing for 60 days. They do not require you wait till the end of a contract. AT&T requires that you wait until the end of a contract. Some carriers, mostly not in the U.S., won't unlock phones at all, ever.

     

     

    3) The phone can then be attached to any carrier that supports iPhones and the types of networks are the same (CDMA>CDMA or GSM>GSM)

    Verizon will only unlock phones for GSM networks outside of the U.S., I believe the same may be true of Sprint.

     

    CDMA phones are neither locked nor unlocked. They are tied to the carrier at the time of manufacturer. Activating it requires both that it configured for that carrier and that the carrier have the appropriate information loaded into their system. If you bring a Verizon phone into Sprint (or vice versa), it can't be activated. There are unauthorized hacks that might allow that to be done but we can't discuss them here.

     

    It's worth noting that carriers don't make money off of selling phones at subsizied prices(authorized resellers do). They make money off of selling services. They are generally quite happy to use a phone that the customer brings in if it will work. It saves them money.

  • 14. Re: Can I transfer iPhone 4s to unlimited plan?
    Dirty Vegas Level 4 Level 4 (1,430 points)

    Meg St._Clair wrote:

     

    Dirty Vegas wrote:

     

    The 5s has not been released in a factory unlocked configuration.

    It's my understanding that Verizon's agreement with the FCC requires that the iPhones they sell, starting with the 5, be unlocked. It's been difficult to get absolute confirmation but most of my sources say that it is unlocked. But, I've been wrong before.

    There are a few things that are currently in the hands of lawyers and legislators.  I will only speak in present tense.  All of the four US carriers ar selling devices "contract free"  They are opting out of (possibly forbidden from) using their power to lock the device.  That does not mean the current state of today's iPhones will be the forever state.  They have a control that they either will not or cannot use.

     

    The iPhone 5s that is fully unencumbered has not been released.