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  • Nevering Calculating status...
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    Aug 22, 2013 4:23 PM (in response to Csound1)

    Same stuff in computer, just a bit larger. Seems they would have an opportunity to make it thinner, and the components thinner for larger and same or less weight.

  • Csound1 Level 7 Level 7 (32,385 points)
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    Aug 22, 2013 4:29 PM (in response to Nevering)

    If it has larger dimensions it will require extra stiffness to prevent it flexing, what is your method of making it both thinner, lighter and stiffer?

     

    If you know of a way that does not involve expensive exotic materials I would not post it here, instead patent it and sell the idea.

     

    Do you know of a way?

  • pc2k5 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Aug 22, 2013 4:31 PM (in response to Csound1)

    If you know a little engineering, 24% is a good guess as everything you said, metal case, fan, battery, etc are also increased by 24%.

     

    And NO, the aluminum case does not need to be that much thicker as engineering can add a few extra strenghing ribs to the alumninum case to prevent twisting and bending.

  • Csound1 Level 7 Level 7 (32,385 points)
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    Aug 22, 2013 4:35 PM (in response to pc2k5)

    pc2k5 wrote:

     

    If you know a little engineering, 24% is a good guess as everything you said, metal case, fan, battery, etc are also increased by 24%.

     

    And NO, the aluminum case does not need to be that much thicker as engineering can add a few extra strenghing ribs to the alumninum case to prevent twisting and bending.

    I can't wait to see your design, (are you planning on using weightless ribs)

     

    All of this ignores the fact that during the long time that the 17" was available it represented less than 2% of sales. To put it another way, 98% of people who bought a Mac laptop bought a smaller one.

     

    How much do you think this low selling machine will cost?

  • pc2k5 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Aug 22, 2013 5:44 PM (in response to Csound1)

    Adding "ribs" for strengthenig is a standard engineering technique used in many fields.

     

    For example:

    http://pimg.tradeindia.com/00554684/b/4/Metal-Sheets-Hi-Rib-Sheets.jpg

     

    Yet, this is only going from 17" to 19" so, the rib(s) could be just like like a very thin or thick line in the aluminum body if needed in the first place.

     

    It's almumnim and it might only need it in the middle, ribs can also be circular as opposed to a straight line. You also see this technique in plastic shells and casing. It could also be two lines in the shape of an x or a variety of shapes and lines depending upon the motherboard, fan, battery,etc....

  • Csound1 Level 7 Level 7 (32,385 points)
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    Aug 22, 2013 5:47 PM (in response to pc2k5)

    Lot's of if's, mights and maybe's do not a design make.

  • pc2k5 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Aug 22, 2013 6:28 PM (in response to Csound1)

    structural ribs, extrapolations are not "If's, might's or maybe's".

     

    They are standard and have been done many times before...hundreds of years.

     

    Heck, you can compare PC's 17" and 19" notebooks and see and feel the difference if you wish.

     

    IMO, the reason you are so doubtful is probably because you have no real experience in structural design.

  • CrimsonCage Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Aug 24, 2013 11:30 AM (in response to pc2k5)

    Too bad I don't know and don't want to know how to use any Windows beyond Windows 98. Therefore, I'll never switch to Windows unless the current machine support Windows 98 and that doesn't seem to be possible.

     

    Since the rumors are getting stronger on the return of the 17 inch MacBook Pro in the form of the Retina Display. All we have to do is wait and see whether or not Apple will listen to people who are demanding for a 17 inch MacBook Pro.

     

    http://www.highlightpress.com/2013-retina-macbook-pro-could-land-in-17-inch-flav or/4356/ed-jones

    Precisely what’s changed in the meantime remains a mystery, but demand for an all-new 2013 Haswell MacBook Pro with a massive 17-inch screen has never been higher. Apple previously pulled the 17-inch MacBook Pro due to poor sales that were tapering off by the day, but perhaps thanks to the idea of Haswell under the hood, the market seems ready and waiting to give the biggest daddy of them all another shot at glory.

  • heat235 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Oct 16, 2013 11:03 PM (in response to mswag)

    I'm simply requesting that you Apple bring back the 17 inch MacBook Pro with retina display. Thank you so much. There is a high demand for it.

  • Lanny Level 5 Level 5 (4,175 points)
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    Oct 17, 2013 7:47 AM (in response to heat235)

    I'm simply requesting that you Apple bring back the 17 inch MacBook Pro with retina display. Thank you so much. There is a high demand for it.

     

    Once again, you're not talking to Apple here, just us users like yourself.

     

    Send your feedback to Apple: http://www.apple.com/feedback/macbookpro.html

  • pc2k5 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Oct 17, 2013 11:39 AM (in response to mswag)

    Is there a retina display for the iMac 21.5" or 27"? From what I can read, no there is not a retina display.

     

    Hence, maybe there are quite a few technical difficulties in a retina display for a 17"MBP?

    First, there's hardware, just making it and battery life. Next, there is software, that is, 3rd party software that Apple doesn't make. Much software needs to be updated to display the retina even now, and those aren't plug and play.

     

    From what I read, the retina display has lot of in-between / hybrid settings on the MBP 15" and so on. I guess with the current strategy going for the smaller display sizes, Apple can get the 3rd party software venders to be better prepared for a much higher resolution that retina has.

     

    So, what I am saying is that if there is no retina for the iMac 21.5 or 27", it could also be the same problem for the 17"MBP.

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    Oct 25, 2013 5:32 AM (in response to BarefootHank)

    Hank,

     

    Apparently I have been blocked from reading any recent replies you may have made to my MBP 17" thread. I only see up to Grant's reply.

  • jamestsnell Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)
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    Nov 7, 2013 8:09 PM (in response to BarefootHank)

    Awesome post. Yes, MBP19 sounds epic to me. I write mapping software by day, make websites by night and play games on occasion. I've fully decked out my MBP17 and I use it like 12hrs/day. I could justify $3500 for a MBP19. I think at least dual SATA3 capacity would be a requirement, if only to stripe RAID SSDs. Some level of user servicability is key for this vertical (Memory and Storage would be enough).

     

    With my MBP17, I concurrently run OSX, Linux and Win7. I have to run Win7 for VMware vSphere and a few other Win-only apps. The mapping software is developed in Linux and I use OSX for everything else.

     

    With the long wait between the last iteration of the Mac Pro and the new one, I pretty well discovered that for me, the desktop could be slain completely. The new Mac Pro is an awesome nod to the power users.

     

    I also think Retina displays are remarkably over-valued. Sure I like lots of pixels, but the pixel density of the retina is big-time overkill. 19", heck 21" of insane laptop glory for the extreme user, priced at an extreme premium, would fly fine.

     

    Tablets are cannibalizing the market for tiny laptops. When I'm skimming email, I use my iPhone. When I want to play a game, read a PDF or cruise the web, I use my iPad (mini). When I put my serious-business face on, I bust out the big gun, the MBP17. I use these products all day long. Laptops should be expanding heavily in to the desktop space, as tablets belong in the many of the casual roles laptops once held. Laptops are more worthy than ever of being your whole office, especially if you can drive 3+ decent displays (a la Thunderbolt 2.0).

     

    My goodness, how I hope Apple will make the MBP19, or something similarly serious!

  • jamestsnell Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)
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    Nov 7, 2013 8:17 PM (in response to BarefootHank)

    Dude, I'm under 30, I write software all day and have spent like 1/4 of the waking hours of my whole life on a computer. I don't need or especially want a retina display either! In the ipad case, I'd rather have the retina hardware driving a non-retina display. The frame rates should be outstanding like that. People typically have crud smeared across their displays, poor lighting, etc. Retina displays are popular and thus they'll make them & sell them. As a productive tax-payer, I demand a mobile office. That means I need a large screen area just as much as a decent resolution. Loads of CPU is nice, but insane Memory is better. Multiple SATA3 (or better) storage options for RAIDed glory. I will pay hansomely for this!

  • Grant Bennet-Alder Level 8 Level 8 (48,140 points)
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    Nov 8, 2013 8:28 AM (in response to jamestsnell)

    jamestsnell-

     

    be sure you send a copy of your request to the feedback page as well. This is a User-to-User forum, and Apple makes no promise to read these posts.

     

    http://www.apple.com/feedback/macbookpro.html

    Mac Pro (Early 2009), Mac OS X (10.6.8), & Server, PPC, & AppleTalk Printers

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