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LXjordanXL Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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Oct 20, 2013 8:11 AM

Hey guys!

I'm directing my first commercial that's going to be on TV here in Miami. Shooting with the Red Epic and editing it on FCP 7. My question is do I have to shoot everything in 29.97 (TV standard)? If so, how can I do slow motion shots (120fps) and 24fps if TV standard is 29.97?

Final Cut Pro 7, Mac OS X (10.7)
  • Michael Grenadier Level 6 Level 6 (19,805 points)
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    Oct 20, 2013 8:38 AM (in response to LXjordanXL)

    The delivery is 29.97 fps.  You can work with other frame rates, they just need to be converted.  FCP does not do a good job and in some cases you will have serious issues.

     

    Here's a user tip laying all this out.

     

    https://discussions.apple.com/docs/DOC-4731

     

    It might be a good idea to hire someone with some post production chops as at least a consultant. 

  • Michael Grenadier Level 6 Level 6 (19,805 points)
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    Oct 20, 2013 8:54 AM (in response to Michael Grenadier)

    Oh and congrats on the job.

  • Michael Grenadier Level 6 Level 6 (19,805 points)
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    Oct 20, 2013 9:04 AM (in response to LXjordanXL)

    the 23.976 fps material, commonly referred to as 24p, needs to have pulldown added so that it plays at 29.97 fps at the same speed as it was shot.  .  Compressor can do this as can AfterEffects.  You can just drop the 24p material in to a 29.97 fps timeline but FCP does not do the best possible job adding pulldown.

  • Michael Grenadier Level 6 Level 6 (19,805 points)
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    Oct 20, 2013 10:19 AM (in response to LXjordanXL)

    I think you have a little more control over the "cadence" in after effects, but it sounds good.  The key here is to look at it on an ntsc monitor to make sure it looks good.

  • Michael Grenadier Level 6 Level 6 (19,805 points)
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    Oct 20, 2013 10:42 AM (in response to LXjordanXL)

    Hard to tell, but I doubt it.   Tell me exactly what the clip and sequence settings are.  And then, if you've still got compressor open, double click on the blue bar in the batch window associated with the clip to load it in the inspector, Screen shot 2013-10-20 at 1.38.26 PM.png

     

    In the inspector, go to the summary panel and copy the text in your reply so I can see exactly what you'e done.Screen shot 2013-10-20 at 1.39.08 PM.png

    I gotta say I'm impressed with your committment to testing your workflow BEFORE you go into production.

     

    You should also get delivery specs from the stations that will be running the commercial.  It's possible that they'd accept a 24p HD master.  They may also require a tape format such has HDCAM in which case, you'll need to go to a post house and they can add pulldown when they output to tape.

  • Michael Grenadier Level 6 Level 6 (19,805 points)
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    Oct 20, 2013 10:45 AM (in response to LXjordanXL)

    You'd need some kind of video output device like an AJA or BlackMagic box.  Does your imac have thunderbolt?  If not, I think you're out of luck. 

     

    If you want to post a short clip with a lot of movement, I'll take a look at it.  My email is mgrenadier@gmail.com

  • Michael Grenadier Level 6 Level 6 (19,805 points)
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    Oct 20, 2013 11:11 AM (in response to LXjordanXL)

    can you send me a short clip of your original footage, just a second or two.  You can load a clip in the viewer in fcp and mark an in and out and then export a quicktime movie with current settings. 

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