Currently Being ModeratedOct 23, 2013 1:30 AM (in response to Austin Sloat)
Austin Sloat wrote:
It is all online now http://help.apple.com/pages/mac/5.0/ opens up when you choose help. It says nothing.
Actually I think that it says so little speaks volumes.
It seems the more I read through this and the feedback I am receiving the more it looks like it is just the iOS version with a few remnant features from Pages '09.
Looks like they took Pages '09 chopped off its head and arms and said "Voila! The Venus de Milo of Office Suites".
Currently Being ModeratedOct 23, 2013 2:50 AM (in response to PeterBreis0807)
Missing: Manage Pages...
The absence of Capture Pages... and Manage Pages... (both relate to Templates) removes the ability to have multiple defined sections in Templates completely. A major issue for us (we use the feature alot).
Separately you might want to add "file format changes" to your list - I found today that if you 'roundtrip' a Pages 09 document through the new Pages and export back to the '09 format you lose all the template information along the way.
Currently Being ModeratedOct 23, 2013 3:17 AM (in response to Gavin Lawrie)
Done. Soon as I get a few more features/features I'll repost the list in a cleaned up form.
This time tomorrow I should have got a full hands on and be able to better comment based on my own experience.
Currently Being ModeratedOct 23, 2013 3:29 AM (in response to PeterBreis0807)
In a very real sense this is Pages in name only. Apple didn't upgrade it, they re-imagined it and its easy to understand why. The huge disconnect between the iPad and the Mac version (not to mention the new browser version) was a headache. It reminded me of the early days of notebook computers with WordPerfect and WordPerfect Lite (or whatever it was called). I'd open a document on the iPad and there were so many limits to what I could do with it. That may no longer be a problem but whether it is a good solution or not only time will tell.
I've been gone from this forum for quite a while so many of you don't know me or my dislike of bloated software. I despise Office and use it only when forced to. What I like(d) about iWork is that it gave me nearly all the tools I needed without the bloat and assumptions that Microsoft knew what I needed better than I did. Pages certainly has less bloat than ever - but does it still have the tools I need? I dunno yet.
I was never a huge fan of the Inspector and all the buried 'treasures' it contained. The new interface unhides the features.
The web version and Mac version look very similar. That'll be a plus for those of us who use a Mac at home and are forced into Windows at work.
Quite a list has already been compiled.
Currently Being ModeratedOct 23, 2013 3:32 AM (in response to PeterBreis0807)
Thanks, Peter. I'll be watching this space, I have yet to make up my mind whether I'll update from Pages 08.
dwb, thanks for sharing your opinion. It's good to read a more optimistic perspective.
Currently Being ModeratedOct 23, 2013 3:34 AM (in response to gideon_p)
This is the part that is amazing to me. You cannot even delete a page out of a document, you cannot duplicate a page in a document, and you cannot move pages around in a document. This renders it 100% ridiculous never mind unusable.
Amazed that this actually got to the point of release without someone saying "hey, wait a minute, you can't even delete a page in a document
Currently Being ModeratedOct 23, 2013 3:40 AM (in response to PeterBreis0807)
No more tracking bubbles or reading comments in the sidebar. Apparently they decided to take all the complaints the iOS version was getting about track changes and address the problem by making the desktop version equally bad. Maybe they thought we'd stop complaining about the iOS version if the desktop version didn't have the features either?!?! Like we'd forget they ever existed???
Currently Being ModeratedOct 23, 2013 3:49 AM (in response to PeterBreis0807)
Another hard to believe ommission: image wrapping choices have been severly dumbed down. I've been editing a 40,000-word newsletter since October 2011 in Pages, and this (and many many other ommissions) will make be fetch my Time Machine tonight and go back to Pages 09.
A true shame.
You may have been gone but not forgotten.
I have been repeatedly told by Apple Staff that Apple listens. To Whom?
Nobody here seems to have asked for less and worse.
The point nearly everyone has been making is that we have all been hanging out for Apple to make the impossible possible in Pages, and the difficult less so.
All my feedback seems to have fallen on deaf ears. I offered many methods where something could be done more easily, in a more obvious way with less steps. This is not that.
iOS Pages is a failure, not a role model. What it does is tokenistic. It is the Circus Dog walking on its hind legs. We are not impressed by how well it walks, we are just impressed that it does it all.
The only positive thing to possibly come out of this is that Apple has been merely hinting at where it is heading up until now. This removes all doubt and will make a clean break all that much easier.
Just make sure you get all crucial documents out of Pages.
Currently Being ModeratedOct 23, 2013 4:08 AM (in response to PeterBreis0807)
I'm not blind - iWork '09 is in a folder and ready to swing into action if need be.
We know that Apple listens (sometimes) and we know Apple has a vision that often differs from ours. Believe me, I've just ended a period of extreme frustration with Apple in regard to the vision difference thing. But given Apple's track record vs my vision I'm more willing to give Apple the benefit of the doubt. Me: a phone from Apple is stupid! Me: a tablet built on iOS is dead in the water. Me: A computer that cannot be upgraded and only has 256GB of storage max is a non-starter. Apple: 3 Me: 0
For me personally the question is whether Pages has had enough features removed to have a large negative impact on my work. My initial answer is no with reservations. I also recognize that my workflow is different from many others. I prefer using several small agile tools rather than one multi-purpose tool. Others prefer a larger feature set.
Obviously I'll be using the feedback button a lot. On the web version I've logged quite a large number already.
How does this look now?
New Pages 5 added, removed or altered features:
+ Right to Left text
+ Single model templates. No More Word Processing/Layout templates
+ Share outside iCloud
+ Phonetic Guide for Chinese & Japanese
+ Template names can be changed inside the Template Chooser
+ Text language is detected automatically
Select non-contiguous text
Drag reorganize pages
Select all instances of a Style
Retain zoom level of document
Media Inspector links to iPhoto library on external drive
Default Start Up page
Style Function key shortcuts
Bookmarks and Links
Images within Tables
Clean Import of older .pages formatting
Open Type features
Word export to iCloud
Multiple Comments view
T.O.C. clean numbering
↪ Pages '09 files previewed on iPad via iCloud are irrevocably converted
↪ Update is missing for older installations, Apple is reportedly working on a solution via a redeemable code or update on their Support Download site
↪ Wrap methods have been cut back severely
↪ Documents reconverted back to Pages '09 lose all template information
↪ Language set under Edit > Spelling and Grammar > Show Spelling and Grammar now document wide
↪ Subscript/superscript text is now a convoluted route Gear > Advanced options > Baseline > Subscript/Superscript
↪ Header appears to be multi-column
↪ New file format (but still .pages?) not backwardly compatible
↪ Page numbering method changed
↪ Template file storage location moved …somewhere?
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