John Dorsey

Q: Mavericks Finder - how default to "double click opens new window"?

I am old and set in my ways.  I like having the Finder open a new window when I double click a folder.  Since 1984 I've arranged Finder windows in positions and sizes that suit me and I have never seen any reason to change.

 

In Mavericks however there does not seem to be a way to default to, "double click opens new Finder window".  My choices under Finder preferences are, open in the same window; or open in a tab.  I don't care for either.

 

Does anyone know of a way to restore the traditional Finder behavior in Mavericks?  Thanks in advance.

Mac Pro, OS X Mavericks (10.9), 18 GB RAM

Posted on Oct 22, 2013 5:54 PM

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  • by Spectralfire,

    Spectralfire Spectralfire Oct 23, 2013 9:06 AM in response to John Dorsey
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    Oct 23, 2013 9:06 AM in response to John Dorsey

    Same :/

    Sounds like there might be hope still though!

  • by Thrust,

    Thrust Thrust Oct 23, 2013 12:43 PM in response to John Dorsey
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    Oct 23, 2013 12:43 PM in response to John Dorsey

    Note: If you make a window have no toolbar but then you open it from a window that HAS a toolbar, it re-adopts the toolbar, even if you later open it in it's own new window again. Hope that made sense, lol!

     

    The toolbar trick is helpful, as is being able to hit command when double clicking but it just isn't as efficient as it was before. AND even with these tricks, I find my windows don't always remember the place I had them on the screen when I re-open them! I'm a little OCD with where everything is on my screen so it's driving me bananas! I'm gonna give this a week or two and if I either don't get used to it (looks unlikely) or we don't see a fix (official or otherwise), I'm definitely gonna go back to Mountain Lion. What a shame.

  • by John Dorsey,

    John Dorsey John Dorsey Oct 23, 2013 12:50 PM in response to Thrust
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    Oct 23, 2013 12:50 PM in response to Thrust

    In the "making lemonade out of lemons" department, I am finding it useful to take two or three windows that I had previously set up with similar display characteristics, like downloads & documents (list view, tall window, sorted by mod date) and putting them all together in a tabbed set rather than aligning them in a kind of offset overlap.  I think that'll be useful.

     

    I don't know what happens if, after carefully setting up this window, I make the mistake of closing it.  I too am learning that the new Finder doesn't always keep track of window characteristics.

  • by Nappa5150,

    Nappa5150 Nappa5150 Oct 23, 2013 6:36 PM in response to John Dorsey
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    Oct 23, 2013 6:36 PM in response to John Dorsey

    Hi everyboxy, I use Apple since 1980 and a Macintosh Plus since 1984.

    I love to place my windows in the right place and find them again there when I open them.

    All my desktop is organized with windows overlapped show me the name in top of the window.

    I choose if show them in Icon view or list... but all of this is gone.

    Everytime I open the Application folder it appears as it wants, list, icon.... noooo... list view sorted by type... not as you want OSX !

    The only thing that Apple didn't chage is the possibility to CMD (Apple) + click on the name of the window and show the tree of the file/folder, also inside application.

     

    I have a solution, for Apple OSX Maverick (10.9.1) dev.

    Finder->Settings-> and... three options:

    1- what to do when double click

    2- what to do when CMD+double click

    3- what to do when ALT+double click

    ... for every option a popup menu.

     

    is it correct?!?

  • by Alex Geis,

    Alex Geis Alex Geis Oct 23, 2013 6:51 PM in response to John Dorsey
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    Oct 23, 2013 6:51 PM in response to John Dorsey

    WOW, I really wish I had found this before upgrading... this is unbelievable. Let alone double clicking to open in new window, but how about command-O? Is that too much to ask? Thank God I only updated my personal laptop and not my work machines.

  • by hawkhart,

    hawkhart hawkhart Oct 23, 2013 7:11 PM in response to Alex Geis
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    Oct 23, 2013 7:11 PM in response to Alex Geis

    The solution for now has already been described, but here it is:

     

    First, on any Mac, open Finder preferences, and deselect "open folders in tabs..."

     

    Then, for a trackpad, mouse, or whatever, in System Preferences using your trackpad or mouse preferences, or other device  software, enable "secondary click" or "right click".

     

    On a MBP, for example, then all you do is click a folder inside another folder by putting two fingertips from one hand on the trackpad and click it with your thumb. A contextual menu opens up and the first item on the list is "open in a new window".

     

    It's not hard, each new window has its' own name at the top, and that's all there is to it.

     

    But I understand that retaining a double click option to do it specifically would be nice for some folks.

  • by John Dorsey,

    John Dorsey John Dorsey Oct 23, 2013 7:29 PM in response to hawkhart
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    Oct 23, 2013 7:29 PM in response to hawkhart

    I wouldn't call that a solution, but a workaround.  Yes, with extra steps you can accomplish the same thing you once (always!) could with two quick clicks.  However the objection is not that you can't get there; it's to the extra steps.

     

    On top of which even when you do employ the workaround, the new Finder seems to forget the details about folders' separate windows about half the time, forcing the user (yet again) to set them up just the way they liked them.

     

    If it's a new, intentional paradigm, it's poorly considered, poorly introduced, and poorly implemented.  It *feels* like a bug -

  • by Alex Geis,

    Alex Geis Alex Geis Oct 23, 2013 7:25 PM in response to John Dorsey
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    Oct 23, 2013 7:25 PM in response to John Dorsey

    John is 100% correct. In all honesty, I work on 5 desktops over 3 27" monitors cause I keep several windows open specifically cause I have lots of things going on. A lot of the time, finder windows as well. I tend to have enough windows open that the tab sizes become too small to tell what is open at any given time.

     

    Plus, I use a Wacom on my central machine, which makes this a potential nightmare. I wouldn't imagine upgrading to 10.9 on that machine if the old version of double click that has been around for over a decade isn't brought back.

  • by Scott Ebright,

    Scott Ebright Scott Ebright Oct 23, 2013 9:20 PM in response to Alex Geis
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    Oct 23, 2013 9:20 PM in response to Alex Geis

    This is a feature I am not sure I too can live without. It is just an ingrained part of my Mac workflow. I sent feedback to Apple on this. I hope everyone that reads this thread does the same thing.

  • by ryan42,

    ryan42 ryan42 Oct 24, 2013 1:18 AM in response to John Dorsey
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    Oct 24, 2013 1:18 AM in response to John Dorsey

    Another fault of the "workaround" is that even if you do spawn a window from a toolbar-less folder, it will have a toolbar if you haven't explicitly disabled it for that folder.

     

    In 10.8, if you had the "Always Open Folders in New Window" setting checked, then toolbar-less folders always spawned toolbar-less windows.

     

    In 10.9 I am going numb from pressing Apple-Option-T so much.

     

    I am also finding that folders randomly lose their position and toolbar state and show up like the default Finder window in the middle of the screen. This has happened with Applications quite a few times now.    

  • by Eugenio MORASSI,

    Eugenio MORASSI Eugenio MORASSI Oct 24, 2013 4:50 AM in response to John Dorsey
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    Oct 24, 2013 4:50 AM in response to John Dorsey

    You're right.

     

    I don't want to discuss about a default, but about sometihing that I WANT to choose or being able to change to fit my needs.

     

    For me having multiple Finder windows is a need.

     

    * * *

     

    So, in general, send feedback to Apple ( http://www.apple.com/feedback/ ) asking to restore the

     

    "Always Open Folders in New Window" setting

     

    ASAP.

     

    * * *

     

    Please excuse my poor English

  • by Spectralfire,

    Spectralfire Spectralfire Oct 24, 2013 6:31 AM in response to Nappa5150
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    Oct 24, 2013 6:31 AM in response to Nappa5150

    So what I'm gathering from what Nappa5150 said, is that there exisits the option to turn it back on in 10.9.1? If so happy day!

  • by John Dorsey,

    John Dorsey John Dorsey Oct 24, 2013 6:34 AM in response to Spectralfire
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    Oct 24, 2013 6:34 AM in response to Spectralfire

    I'm not sure if he's telling us it's there, or suggesting it as a fix to be included.

  • by Nappa5150,

    Nappa5150 Nappa5150 Oct 24, 2013 7:10 AM in response to John Dorsey
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    Oct 24, 2013 7:10 AM in response to John Dorsey

    Ops, I'm sorry...

    it's just a suggestion to Apple developers

  • by Evil Hacker,

    Evil Hacker Evil Hacker Oct 24, 2013 9:21 AM in response to John Dorsey
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    Oct 24, 2013 9:21 AM in response to John Dorsey

    I'm extremely infuriated with this change and really holding myself back from typing all sorts of profanities.

     

    There are many people like myself who are spacially and visually oriented.

    It is much more efficient to find items by location than searching by name. I find it very easy to remember where a file is rather than the name of the file.

    I understand that not everybody's brain works this way but it does for a large percentage of the population.

     

    The Mavericks Finder reminds me of the Windows File Explorer. I am now forced to do a dictionary search for files by name in a Finder window. And, if I don't remember the name of a file or folder then I have to keep scanning up and down and around the window until one of the file names rings a bell.

     

    Apple, please add an option to open folders in a new window instead of recyling the existing window!!!

    Please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please!!!

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