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Q: How to locally sync an iPhone with OS X Mavericks? iCloud is NOT an option.

I read that OS X Mavericks will no longer allow me to use iTunes to sync my iPhone to a local system but makes iCloud mandatory? Is that correct?

 

iCloud is not a valid option for me since I have no control about my data there, I need to keep all my data (contacts, calendar...) on a system under my control and so far iTunes allowed me to do that which was one of the reasons I didn't even consider Android or Windows Phone.

OS X Mountain Lion (10.8.5)

Posted on Oct 20, 2013 8:54 AM

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Q: How to locally sync an iPhone with OS X Mavericks? iCloud is NOT an option.

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  • by winglet,

    winglet winglet Oct 24, 2013 11:00 AM in response to snozdop
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    Oct 24, 2013 11:00 AM in response to snozdop

     

    Just as much as it is your choice to travel with whatever devices you want it's also Apple's choice to include or exclude features from the products they make, based on what the majority want or need and Apple's "vision" for how they want their products to work.

     

    A key difference between myself and Apple though, is that is my dollars, and the millions of others, that grant Apple their "choices". (And their profits.) As such, I expect my own needs to be considered, lofty Apple "visions" aside. (*puke*. Someone's starting to believe their own bs!)

     

    The strange thing is that you seem to argue for open standards on the one hand as an explanation as to why USB sync had to be abandoned, but then out of the other side of your mouth defend Apple's choice to lock things down the way they see fit. Convenient arguments whenever it suits, but not terribly consistent.

     

    But, fortunately there are still choices. Which is why I will withdraw from the discussion, as my time could be better used exploring those alternatives. I've honestly never even considered anything other than Apple for my mobile needs (Apple user since 1985, with the Mac Plus) and now I'm quite looking forward to seeing what's out there. I do know that most of my colleagues are using Samsung products, so there's more to life than i-everything. And for the time being there's Mountain Lion, until Apple arbitrarily removes some crucial feature to "encourage" migration. I figure I've got about a year to sort it out.

     

    Enjoy your "Mavericks"!

  • by RobertCailliau,

    RobertCailliau RobertCailliau Oct 24, 2013 11:06 AM in response to KiltedTim
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    Oct 24, 2013 11:06 AM in response to KiltedTim

    I agree completely with winglet, as I am also frequently travelling.

     

    And both my wife and I have an iPhone that is not on any dataplan.  We bought the phones, then independently of that got a SIM card from operators who don't even know what phones we have.

     

    And yes, I am "free not to use OS X Mavericks".  Except that I have invested a lot in software and accessory hardware, totalling much more than the cost of a retina laptop.

     

    Things are deeply intertwingled (as Ted Nelson would say).  I cannot just switch away from Apple. I cannot just keep using my old system either: some security fixes require upgrades in other parts of my total computing platform, some day I will have to go.

     

    "Freedom" not to use Mavericks is relative. Underlying the a worries of many on this thread is that some day they will have to go to Mavericks for any or all of the reasons I cited, and will find themselves in a dire strait.

  • by AndyD,

    AndyD AndyD Oct 24, 2013 11:08 AM in response to KiltedTim
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    Oct 24, 2013 11:08 AM in response to KiltedTim

     

     

    OK. Here are the facts. This feature is not available in OS X Mavericks. If that makes people unhappy, they are free not to use OS X Mavericks. Nothing anyone here can say about it will alter reality.

     

    The "solution" is not to use OS X Mavericks if you require local sync of calendars and contacts without going through a cloud service. There is NO OTHER ANSWER that anyone here can give. Yes, the server route is an option. If it's not a viable option for you... well, you already have the answer.

     

    End Quote

     

    This is a rather simplistic reply.  Of course everyone ie free to NOT use Mavericks, but you are leaving out those of us who purchase new devices... They MUST use Mavericks.

     

    This is my dilemma, I am ready to purchase new equipment and I want to maintain local sync.

     

    It has been said that one could use server (simply, or maybe not simply, it could be difficult, I just don't know).

     

    What I need is a reference to how I would do local syncing with server.

     

    Do I put all my calendar and contact info on the server, then sync through iTunes on my (non-server) device?

     

    Or how do I sync my IOS devices (IOS 6 and 7) using a local server?

     

    I guess local sync of music, movies and photos still happens locally through iTunes?

     

    No longer complaining or lamenting the loss of functionality all am asking for here is a pointer to a resource so I can learn how to do all of this.

     

    Any help would be much appreciated.

     

    Thanks,

     

    Andy

  • by kllewyMac,

    kllewyMac kllewyMac Oct 24, 2013 11:12 AM in response to winglet
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    Oct 24, 2013 11:12 AM in response to winglet

    Thanks everyone for your input, regardless of where you stood on the issue.

     

    For those thinking of moving to Android, I'm afraid that that's a bit of a dead end also as related to this issue.

     

    The reason I moved to iOS was specifically due to the Android ecosystem not offering Computer to Mobile Device syncing other than via cloud-based services (such as Google Calendar/Contacts etc.).

     

    I was syncing between my Windows PC and iOS devices until about a month ago when I decided to buy my first Mac computer thinking that it would be equivalent. After noticing that Notes and Reminders were no longer sync'd other than via iCloud, I was wondering which direction Apple was going and unfortunately this was the result.

     

    Perhaps the next step will be Ubuntu phones and Linux.

  • by Frogoff,

    Frogoff Frogoff Oct 24, 2013 11:15 AM in response to AndyD
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    Oct 24, 2013 11:15 AM in response to AndyD

    Well.

    Good enough.

    So I've done the Icloud sync of my calendar, but the sync has crashed, result : I don't have my calendar anymore my all planning for this year just gone. Verifying on Icloud I got the calendars but not the events.

     

    So I try to restore my calendars from tim machine... The new calendar app didn't open any file from my library.

    Thanks Apple.

    Somenone have a solution just to restore my calendars from my Time Machine back-up ???

  • by raymond73,

    raymond73 raymond73 Oct 24, 2013 11:15 AM in response to kllewyMac
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    Oct 24, 2013 11:15 AM in response to kllewyMac

    kllewyMac wrote:

     

    After noticing that Notes and Reminders were no longer sync'd other than via iCloud, I was wondering which direction Apple was going and unfortunately this was the result.

    Get another notes app. There are many that are superior to what Apple offered. They sync through services that are not iCloud such as Dropbox. You have choices, use them.

  • by NoOneKnowsExceptMe,

    NoOneKnowsExceptMe NoOneKnowsExceptMe Oct 24, 2013 11:25 AM in response to Gerrit7
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    Oct 24, 2013 11:25 AM in response to Gerrit7

    It already started with the app notes, which could not be synct vie USB / WIFI before. It is logic, that apple won't give you power to sync calendar and contacts too. All those who use iMessage, Whatsapp whatever do not have control about their data anyway. So lets use iCloud and acitvate the GPS. There is nothing more to lose from now on, because it is already lost. More to come. Big data just has started.

  • by kllewyMac,

    kllewyMac kllewyMac Oct 24, 2013 11:25 AM in response to raymond73
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    Oct 24, 2013 11:25 AM in response to raymond73

    Get another notes app. There are many that are superior to what Apple offered. They sync through services that are not iCloud such as Dropbox. You have choices, use them.

     

    Thanks Raymond, but it's not iCloud specifically that is my issue (nor for most of the posters here who are looking for a solution).

     

    Dropbox, Skydrive, iCloud, Evernote...are all fine services in their way, but all of them require internet connectivity, data transmission over the internet and storing data with a third party provider who might or might not be able to access it or provide it to surveillance authorities (depending on your view on whether encryption keys are held with the owner, or the third party provider).

     

    I ended up using my calendar to store my notes in (January 1, 2014 is a busy day!), so as to keep the information only between my Mac and iPhone, and stopped using reminders altogether.

  • by Z001,

    Z001 Z001 Oct 24, 2013 11:29 AM in response to KiltedTim
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    Oct 24, 2013 11:29 AM in response to KiltedTim

    @KiltedTim

     

    Thanks for the enlightenment, would have never guessed it and the response helped me a great deal....are you on Apple payroll?

  • by AndyD,

    AndyD AndyD Oct 24, 2013 11:36 AM in response to Frogoff
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    Oct 24, 2013 11:36 AM in response to Frogoff

    Quote

     

     

     

    Well.

    Good enough.

    So I've done the Icloud sync of my calendar, but the sync has crashed, result : I don't have my calendar anymore my all planning for this year just gone. Verifying on Icloud I got the calendars but not the events.

     

    So I try to restore my calendars from tim machine... The new calendar app didn't open any file from my library.

    Thanks Apple.

    Somenone have a solution just to restore my calendars from my Time Machine back-up ???

     

    End Quoe

     

    @Frogoff

     

    I had a similar problem back in June 2012.  I tried to sync with iCloud and things went horriblly  wrong. After much nashing of teeth I figured out a way to revert to local syncing back then for that verison of OS X and IoS

     

    Here's what I did... https://discussions.apple.com/message/20119458#20119458

     

    The unfortunate thing is that I required I have a good set of my calendars and contacts on an iDevice.  I didn't do it from a Time Machine back-up.  Here's hoping you hava an up-to-date iDevice.

     

    Or if you have a recent clone back-up you might try booting from it and restoring an iDevice, then follow the procedure I did in June 2012.

     

    I hope this helps,

     

    Andy D

  • by Z001,

    Z001 Z001 Oct 24, 2013 11:35 AM in response to kllewyMac
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    Oct 24, 2013 11:35 AM in response to kllewyMac
    Hopefully there will be a solution from a new app. I have been in touch with the WeekCalendar people (used the app for ages as it offers month and other views with content not just coloured dots). Apperently they were not aware of the changes Apple has done with Maverick (their app uses the native Calendar data on the iPhone). Hope they or others might offer an alternative way...
  • by snozdop,

    snozdop snozdop Oct 24, 2013 11:49 AM in response to winglet
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    Oct 24, 2013 11:49 AM in response to winglet

    I will withdraw from the discussion

     

    That's probably a good idea, as your reading comprehension skills in this discussion are severely lacking.

     

    lofty Apple "visions" aside. (*puke*. Someone's starting to believe their own bs!)

     

    It's not my "bs", it's what Apple has called it and is why I put quotes around it. I guess understanding of punctuation is also not your strong point. Quoting Apple doesn't infer my opinion about it.

     

    The strange thing is that you seem to argue for open standards on the one hand as an explanation as to why USB sync had to be abandoned

     

    I didn't provide any explanation for why USB sync had to be abandoned. I made a guess that it may be to do with the numbers of people using it compared to iCloud and the viability of continuing to support it. Nothing at all to do with the use of open standards. Again, reading comprehension fail.

     

    then out of the other side of your mouth defend Apple's choice to lock things down the way they see fit

     

    I didn't defend it. I simply stated that is what they do, and it is their choice. Personally, I would prefer if things weren't so locked down but that's not the way things are. I'm just telling you the facts of the matter. What I personally think about it doesn't change the facts.

     

    If you've never even looked outside of Apple before then you'll probably be in for quite a pleasant surprise. I always buy the best tool for the job I need to do, regardless of manufacturer. For me, sometimes the best tool is made by Apple, and sometimes it isn't. By blindly choosing Apple for 20+ years you've probably denied yourself many better products than the ones you bought in that time. Apple isn't always the best option in every situation. Well done for finally realising that.

  • by Jeremy012,

    Jeremy012 Jeremy012 Oct 24, 2013 12:14 PM in response to KiltedTim
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    Oct 24, 2013 12:14 PM in response to KiltedTim

    KiltedTim wrote:

     

    OK. Here are the facts. This feature is not available in OS X Mavericks. If that makes people unhappy, they are free not to use OS X Mavericks. Nothing anyone here can say about it will alter reality.

     

    I have no idea what would make you say that. Companies change policies all the time as a result of receiving negative feedback from customers. Perhaps the most high-profile, recent example of that would be Netflix's abandonment of Quikster.

     

    How would Apple become aware of people being uncomfortable with being forced to use the cloud unless, you know, we actually told them about it?

  • by KiltedTim,

    KiltedTim KiltedTim Oct 24, 2013 12:19 PM in response to Jeremy012
    Level 9 (56,327 points)
    Mac OS X
    Oct 24, 2013 12:19 PM in response to Jeremy012

    Yes, they do. And any discussion of Apple's policies is forbidden on these forums by the Terms of Service.

     

    If you want to tell Apple something, use the "Contact Us" link at the bottom of the page.

  • by TangentSun,

    TangentSun TangentSun Oct 24, 2013 2:24 PM in response to Gerrit7
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    Oct 24, 2013 2:24 PM in response to Gerrit7

    I just submitted this to http://www.apple.com/feedback/icloud.html after talking to a Senior Customer Service Rep.

    (I suspect I'm a little more "senior" than he, as I bought my first "Fat Mac" in 1985)

    He advised that this is the proper venue, and Apple takes Feedbacks seriously. I hope others will do likewise...

     

    Subject:

    Need to back up data without iCloud

     

    Feedback type:

    Documents in the Cloud

     

    Comments:

    In Mavericks there is no opportunity to back up/sync my contacts and calendar (plus) info between my IOS devices to my Mac without using iCloud wherein you store this info.

     

    RE Apple Help Center "If you use OS X Mavericks v.10.9 or later, your contacts, calendars, and other info are updated on your computers and iOS devices via iCloud."

     

    This means:

    1) No internet=no back up. (I travel a lot in rural Mexico...)

     

    2) You state you will monitor my data and judge it. RE iCloud Terms and Conditions; Removal of Content

     

    3) You will provide my content to anyone you wish whether legally required or not. RE iCloud Terms and Conditions; Access to Your Account and Content

     

    This means I need to revert to 10.8 and postpone or cancel my planned Apple purchases.

     

    Were these decisions your choice or were you forced to implement?

     

    Let me know when you rectify these decisions so that I can resume replacing my hardware.

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