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Q: How to locally sync an iPhone with OS X Mavericks? iCloud is NOT an option.

I read that OS X Mavericks will no longer allow me to use iTunes to sync my iPhone to a local system but makes iCloud mandatory? Is that correct?

 

iCloud is not a valid option for me since I have no control about my data there, I need to keep all my data (contacts, calendar...) on a system under my control and so far iTunes allowed me to do that which was one of the reasons I didn't even consider Android or Windows Phone.

OS X Mountain Lion (10.8.5)

Posted on Oct 20, 2013 8:54 AM

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Q: How to locally sync an iPhone with OS X Mavericks? iCloud is NOT an option.

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  • by shoot_me,

    shoot_me shoot_me Oct 24, 2013 2:29 PM in response to snozdop
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    Oct 24, 2013 2:29 PM in response to snozdop

    Regarding iCloud encryption:

     

    I agree that iCloud data is fairly safe during transit (NSA intervention aside), but since Apple is able to show me my iCloud calendar and contacts on icloud.com it is oviously unencrypted or decryptable server side and thereby vulnerable to attack and government scrutiny, especially for non US-citizens.

     

    US citizens however should also be aware that cloud stored data, including e-mails older than a week (i think it was a week) and contacts may be obtained by the FBI without a court signed search warrant. I believe that made the news a year or two ago. I think the reasoning there was that you are leaving your data outside you own private space.

     

    I honestly do not think that Apple will pull back on this and reintegrate sync services in Mavericks. "If you need sync then icloud just works, seamlessly, perfectly. Deal with it."

    The next step is to figure out an alternative, just like back in the days when we all lusted for sync and had use apps like missing sync for the windows phones, homespun plugins for isync or a palm.

     

    So far I have heard:

    - ownCloud

    - OSX Server

    - open source excerpt from that: http://www.ronregev.com/misc/pim_server_tutorial/

     

    In every case it involves setting up a server and I don't think there is a way arround it unless you gain full access to the internal iPhone system (not sure if it violates TOS to use the WORD for that) and then a 3rd party software can do the work.

  • by winglet,

    winglet winglet Oct 24, 2013 3:11 PM in response to snozdop
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    Oct 24, 2013 3:11 PM in response to snozdop

    snozdop,

     

    Thanks for validating my decision! lol Already replaced most of my Apple stuff, Synology kicked out the Mini as a server, WD Live displaced the Apple TV, etc etc..and now I can replace an Apple troll with, I suppose, Samsung ones...ah well, thanks for taking the time to deconstruct my post, must have hit a nerve!

     

    Cheers from Dubai. Don't forget to pay your taxes!

  • by Keymusic88,

    Keymusic88 Keymusic88 Oct 24, 2013 3:36 PM in response to Gerrit7
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    Oct 24, 2013 3:36 PM in response to Gerrit7

    There's really no point in discussing this here, other than for self-edification, Apple does not read these posts.

     

    I implore everyone here to post a complaint at apple.com/feedback. Supposedly Apple does read that. It's our best chance to get USB sync put back into Mavericks. Also, calling a senior Apple tech may help a little, although they always just tell you to submit feedback online.

     

    Please do this and tell everyone you can to also do it. If we can get a large enough, focused campaign going, the change may happen. After all, in iOS 7.0.3, Apple caved and put in the option to turn off the incessant zooming transitions from apps to home screen and vice versa. Even though the zoom was an integral part of the iOS 7 design, Apple gave in because thousands of people (including me) were getting motion sickness from the zoom effects.

     

    This sync issue is just a important, if not more important. The importance of having the option of local calendar/contacts syncing goes without saying. There's no need to even conjure up an argument for it, it's so obvious. So let's please put our collective energy directly towards Apple, and get this abhorrent change corrected.

     

    Thanks

  • by Retiredthailand,

    Retiredthailand Retiredthailand Oct 24, 2013 9:49 PM in response to KiltedTim
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    Oct 24, 2013 9:49 PM in response to KiltedTim

    If Apple pointed out I could no longer sync without the cloud, I would not upgraded to Maverick.  I am now looking at going back.  I will never use iCloud, my reasons, my choice.

     

    I have been getting upset with my iPhone for a long time now, I want a bigger screen and keep holding on for it.  I was going to change to the S4 if it didnt get bigger on 5S. It didnt and I thought I will give it one more upgrade try and wait one more time.  

     

    This sync thing is over the top, to take my contact sync away is unbeliveable, Now I have now way to save my contacts from my iphone without a pencil.  Great idea in the computer age.

     

    I am going to buy an S4 now, someting I did not want to do but Apple has just forced it.  I will be sorry to see my iPhone 5 go but go it must, since I cant sync anymore.  So silly a point they are trying to make.  I have many expensive translating, and other apps on my iphone that will have to be paid for again.  Better now than later

     

     

    Is there any way to get my contacts off of my iPhone and install them into an S4, I sure dont want to do it manually?

  • by pedro ramon,

    pedro ramon pedro ramon Oct 24, 2013 11:37 PM in response to Retiredthailand
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    Mac OS X
    Oct 24, 2013 11:37 PM in response to Retiredthailand

    I installed mavericks and noticed too late that there no more local sync.

     

    Is there any thrid party App which allow you to sync your devices through Wifi or USB for:

     

    - Calendar

    - Notes

    - Contacts

     

    ?

  • by RobertCailliau,

    RobertCailliau RobertCailliau Oct 24, 2013 11:41 PM in response to Retiredthailand
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    Oct 24, 2013 11:41 PM in response to Retiredthailand

    I have a Samsung Galaxy and sync contacts, calendar, notes, photos, files and so on locally, using Missing Sync on Snow Leopard.  Even write my own Android apps using LiveCode.  It all still works on Mountain Lion.  It will not work on Mavericks.  Unless Missing Sync is rewritten to include the functionality of the sync services layer.

     

    TangentSun had the right approach: tell Apple by submitting feedback.  I am going to do the same.


    Shoot_me is also right: transmission is encrypted, but at the other end it is decrypted.  Read point 2) of TangetSun: if content can be refused, it must be because they can view it. Obviously, if you have not entered an encryption key of your choice just before transmission, then the whole process is under control of the cloud/mobile software and not you.

     

    As kllewyMac says: perhaps next is Linux.  I already run an Ubuntu server in the basement; putting a calDAV server on it should not be too difficult.

     

    Bye guys, this is becoming a flame war.

  • by Z001,

    Z001 Z001 Oct 25, 2013 1:33 AM in response to Retiredthailand
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    Oct 25, 2013 1:33 AM in response to Retiredthailand

    Retiredthailand

     

    I do not believe iPhone is the problem. I have upgraded my wife's iPhone to the latest IOS (same as mine) but thankfully have not upgraded her Mackbook to Mavericks yet. Her phone seems to syncronise fine everything with OSX 10.8. So the issue is really the Mac OS, not the iPhone IOS. Hope this helps.

  • by drowningindata,

    drowningindata drowningindata Oct 25, 2013 1:40 AM in response to Z001
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    Oct 25, 2013 1:40 AM in response to Z001

    I've just submitted the following to Apple's iCloud feedback page:

     

    http://www.apple.com/feedback/icloud.html

     

    The latest Mac OS 10, Mavericks has removed local sync and imposed iCloud sync instead. The fact that you have removed local sync and forced users to use iCloud without warning or consultation is outrageous.

     

    I do not use iCloud now and never will.

     

    Because you cannot guarantee the security of my data I will not be upgrading to OS X Mavericks, nor will I be updating or upgrading any of the Apple software that forces me to use iCloud to transfer files between devices.

     

    Using iCloud would force me to use part of my monthly data plan which I don't think is fair, you can't impose costs on a consumer/user like this without a legally binding agreement, using iCloud is NOT free.

     

    iCloud Keychain is a joke, any user would be a fool to expose their personal information in this way.

  • by pedro ramon,

    pedro ramon pedro ramon Oct 25, 2013 2:02 AM in response to drowningindata
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    Oct 25, 2013 2:02 AM in response to drowningindata

    I totally aggree I do not use iCloud, that is why I am looking for a third party solution to Sync my calendars, contacts & notes between my iMac, iPhone & iPad, using Mavericks.

     

    But I do not want to set up something too complicate such as a Caldav / Cardav server.

  • by Retiredthailand,

    Retiredthailand Retiredthailand Oct 25, 2013 2:51 AM in response to pedro ramon
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    Oct 25, 2013 2:51 AM in response to pedro ramon

    I might just reverse my Maverick to the previous one, although I really dont want to go through the trouble, especially if something goes wrong

     

    Silly Aragant Apple.  If its not broke, dont fix it.  Make it better not harder, what your complany originally stood for

  • by WiseJD,

    WiseJD WiseJD Oct 25, 2013 3:16 AM in response to Retiredthailand
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    Oct 25, 2013 3:16 AM in response to Retiredthailand

    Okay, an opportunity to control our own data is at least for now, unavailable.  Having said that, for many iPhone users this is not an issue worth thinking about staying on the previous OS X on their Mac.  If you think this is the first time your iPhone data is vulnerable, think again.  Perhaps with all of these posts and the fact that these feelings represent many more folk's reaction than those who post within this Community, may get Apple to reconsider.  I would think until that happens, for many it may be smart to update to Mavericks and deal with whatever increased Risk you believe has been brought about by this change.  I don't mean to imply that I favor this change, as I personally would rather keep the local sync capability, but realistically with a device that you have connected to the Internet every day ...I'm not at all sure how much your Risk has been increased. 

  • by RobertCailliau,

    RobertCailliau RobertCailliau Oct 25, 2013 3:27 AM in response to WiseJD
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    Oct 25, 2013 3:27 AM in response to WiseJD

    It is not a matter of risk.

    My phone is never connected to the internet.

    I am often off-line with my laptop.

    I still want to sync, including with my wife's calendar, on our LAN,

    I want control,

    I want it locally.

    I was happy.

     

    But about risk: I repeat that one of my posts on this forum thread was removed within minutes of posting it (you can still see it on my own site).

     

    Hands out of my trouser pockets.

  • by snozdop,

    snozdop snozdop Oct 25, 2013 3:33 AM in response to RobertCailliau
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    Oct 25, 2013 3:33 AM in response to RobertCailliau
    My phone is never connected to the internet.

     

     

    Then why would you buy an iPhone then? The vast majority of the iPhone's functionality above what a cheap "old school" feature phone offers is directly connected to its internet connectivity.

     

    Seems rather pointless to buy one the most expensive mobile internet devices on the market, and then to never have it connected to the internet... Like buying a car and then only ever using it in your garage.

  • by winglet,

    winglet winglet Oct 25, 2013 4:06 AM in response to snozdop
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    Oct 25, 2013 4:06 AM in response to snozdop

    Please. I'm asking you, sincerely. Stop trolling. There's no need to go down that road again. We get it, Mavericks works for you. If you don't have anything useful to contribute on how to restore the function in the thread title, respectfully I'd ask you to move on.

     

    It is entirely subjective, and completely up to the person laying out hundreds of dollars, on how they choose to use their device, what they use it for, and where they find the major functionality of their purchase. The fact that you can't conceive of the usability of a smartphone without internet connectivity is a statement to how YOU may use yours. Fine. But you're not everyone. It's painfully arrogant to assume everyone has the same needs and wants as yourself. The car analogy is ridiculous, a car is virtually single-purpose compared to a smartphone.

     

    The vastly overriding functionality of my iPhone is in its PORTABILITY, more than it's internet connectivity. It contains my very large contact list, my very busy calendar. My entire pilot's logbook. I use it for a geotagging app. I keep large amounts of notes (now no longer syncable without the internet since Lion as well. Which HAS already caused headaches - a precursor to Calendars and Contacts in Mavericks.) It contains my music, pictures, video clips. It has a camera and compass. And on and on. I use it for SMS, phone calls, the GPS for geotagging. But Wi-fi is optional.

     

    None of these require iCloud. None of them require an internet connection. In fact I could leave my Wi-fi turned off all the time and it would make no difference and the phone would still be incredibly useful with all that it holds, all through the conduit of my MB Pro. The occasional app update (which I still manage exclusively through iTunes on my Mac, and sync through the USB - faster and more stable than a wireless connection, and easier to administrate on a 15" screen than a 3"). Yes, that requires an internet connection for my Mac. Not the phone.

     

    Dismissing someone who doesn't need internet connectivity on their phone is remarkably narrow-minded.

  • by JEH54,

    JEH54 JEH54 Oct 25, 2013 4:28 AM in response to pedro ramon
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    Oct 25, 2013 4:28 AM in response to pedro ramon

    Here is what I did. My wife loves her Outlook 2011 calendar and contacts. Could not sync them any longer. Not even to iCloud.

     

    So, I went to Microsoft Exchange Online and created an exhange account for her. Cost is $4.28/month. If you buy Office 365 for Business, you might be able to get Exchange Online for free (not sure about that and while on the subject, forget Microsoft chat for help; the person wanted to know why I wanted to migrate and suggested looking into "Microsoft partners" to migrate.

     

    in any even, created an account for her, made it the default, then had to drag all of the information from her contacts to the new Exchange identity in Outlook. Calendar items need to be done from the "list" view. It took me about an hour but only because I was not sure what to do.

     

    When done uncheck the "on my computer" boxes in Calendar and Contacts. Everything will then update and sync through exchange. There are microsoft support topics that will walk you through it.

     

    I know, it's not really different from iCloud, but wife is happy. Happy wife, happy life.

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