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  • 8,385. Re: MacBook Pro Retina display burn-in?
    Kirk Eberle Level 1 Level 1 (35 points)

    I've been waiting quite impatiently for a retina MBP since the first release. Finally decided to dive in, and before I could buy one, stumbled upon this thread. Y'all gave me jitters!

     

    Seeing as I could always take the machine back if I had issues, I decided to get the new, stock $2600 15" MBP w/retina.

     

    I had a long day of reinstalling apps and grinding over of all my files (I decided I'd start from a clean install instead of doing the Mac to Mac transfer).

     

    Clearly, with all that transfering going on, the screen would have been exposed to a chance of image retention. As hard as I look, (on solid gray, solid white), I do NOT have ANY symptoms of image retention...nor the yellow-ish gradient people are bringing up. I have to say it, it's the most gorgeous display I've EVER seen!

     

    I see some folks demanding system breakdowns, I'm willing to post mine if those very requesters are willing to point me/link me as to how to do that satisfactorily (is that a word?).

     

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    TL;DR I was scared by this thread before finally plunging into retina bliss; bought a rMBP anyway. After a long day of static screens due to software installations, I see ZERO symptoms of IR/yellowing/gradual discolorations on my new Haswell 15".

  • 8,386. Re: MacBook Pro Retina display burn-in?
    Salman Khan84 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I wanna ask you brother that the image retention you are talking about happned in which model of rmbp ??? the previous generation ones or the haswell ones..??

  • 8,387. Re: MacBook Pro Retina display burn-in?
    Chris Yates1 Level 1 Level 1 (35 points)

    It was the previous models (not Haswell....so far it would seem anyway) and the LG screens. The Samsung screens had yellowing.

     

    @Kirk - To find out which diaply you have use Spotlight and search Terminal (it will be the top hit) open Terminal and a window will appear copy and paste the following:

    ioreg -lw0 | grep "EDID" | sed "/[^<]*</s///" | xxd -p -r | strings -6

     

    And hit 'return', the first thing you'll see is Color LCD then immediately below that you'll see numbers and letters. If the letters start with LSN that means it's a Samsung display. The second line will look something like:

    LSN154YL01-A01

     


  • 8,388. Re: MacBook Pro Retina display burn-in?
    vkin Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Thanks for helping us out. Do you know if Image persistence is absent on new 13 inch macbook pro. I am a firsttime buyer of macbook so a bit cautious.

  • 8,389. Re: MacBook Pro Retina display burn-in?
    Kirk Eberle Level 1 Level 1 (35 points)

    Thanks! (FYI for Anyone reading through this, I needed to install developer tools to make the above Terminal command work)

     

    Yup, it must be a Samsung:

    LSN154YL01-A01

    DLM33720124FF0PAK

    Color LCD


     

    I'm assuming that's good? Or will I be eating image retention crow in due time?

     

    (Had a Plasma TV in my time...know FULL WELL how annoying image retention can be. Thought I'd share that!)

  • 8,390. Re: MacBook Pro Retina display burn-in?
    Salman Khan84 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    exactly this is what i thought ...lets c what mr.airikh has to say

  • 8,391. Re: MacBook Pro Retina display burn-in?
    LifeReceiver Level 1 Level 1 (15 points)

    It would seem they're only putting Samsung's into the latest iteration, but in the case of lel62 the command isn't giving a result.  This could mean he has an LG, but the output is formatted differently.  What you can try is break the command apart to see what changed.  For example try this:

     

    ioreg -lw0 | grep "EDID"

     

    You should get an output like this:

     

       | | | |   | | |   "EDID" = <00ffffffffffff0006100fa00000000010150104a5211578026fb1a7554c9e250c505400000001 010101010101010101010101010101ef8340a0b0083470302036004bcf1000001a000000fc00436f 6c6f72204c43440a2020200000001000000000000000000000000000000000001000000000000000 0000000000000000e700000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 004c503135345754312d534a41320a200044434e333330313031335446445233414b0a2020202020 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000000000000000000>

        | | | | | |   "FeatureControl" = {"GPUInterruptHandling"=1,"UseInterruptFilter"=1,"EDPDownSpreadDisable"=0,"Fast DisplayDetectDisable"=0,"SpreadON"=1,"PowerStates"=1,"IgnorePanelTimings"=0,"Gam maAdjustDisable"=0,"DisableDynamicFBC"=0,"RCxEIModeEnable"=1,"EnableDeepDisplay" =1,"MaximumSelfRefreshLevel"=3,"DPM"=1,"DeepRC6"=1,"CachedEDIDDisable"=0,"ASRDis able"=0,"Gamma"=1,"FBC"=1,"EnableConnectionState"=1,"RenderStandby"=1,"SetRC6Vol tage"=0,"UseProgrammedCoefficients"=0,"Watermarks"=1}

        | | | | |         "IODisplayEDID" = <00ffffffffffff0006100fa00000000010150104a5211578026fb1a7554c9e250c505400000001 010101010101010101010101010101ef8340a0b0083470302036004bcf1000001a000000fc00436f 6c6f72204c43440a2020200000001000000000000000000000000000000000001000000000000000 0000000000000000e7>

     

    Then you can take it a step further and try this:

     

    ioreg -lw0 | grep "EDID" | sed "/[^<]*</s///"

     

    Which should give you something like this:

     

    00ffffffffffff0006100fa00000000010150104a5211578026fb1a7554c9e250c50540000000101 0101010101010101010101010101ef8340a0b0083470302036004bcf1000001a000000fc00436f6c 6f72204c43440a202020000000100000000000000000000000000000000000100000000000000000 00000000000000e70000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 4c503135345754312d534a41320a200044434e333330313031335446445233414b0a202020202000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000>

        | | | | | |   "FeatureControl" = {"GPUInterruptHandling"=1,"UseInterruptFilter"=1,"EDPDownSpreadDisable"=0,"Fast DisplayDetectDisable"=0,"SpreadON"=1,"PowerStates"=1,"IgnorePanelTimings"=0,"Gam maAdjustDisable"=0,"DisableDynamicFBC"=0,"RCxEIModeEnable"=1,"EnableDeepDisplay" =1,"MaximumSelfRefreshLevel"=3,"DPM"=1,"DeepRC6"=1,"CachedEDIDDisable"=0,"ASRDis able"=0,"Gamma"=1,"FBC"=1,"EnableConnectionState"=1,"RenderStandby"=1,"SetRC6Vol tage"=0,"UseProgrammedCoefficients"=0,"Watermarks"=1}

    00ffffffffffff0006100fa00000000010150104a5211578026fb1a7554c9e250c50540000000101 0101010101010101010101010101ef8340a0b0083470302036004bcf1000001a000000fc00436f6c 6f72204c43440a202020000000100000000000000000000000000000000000100000000000000000 00000000000000e7>

     

    And finally you can try this:

     

    ioreg -lw0 | grep "EDID" | sed "/[^<]*</s///" | xxd -p -r

     

    Which will give you a more raw result:

     

    ????????!xo??UL?%

                     PT?@?4p0 6K??Color LCD

       ?LP154WT1-SJA2

    DCN3301013TFDR3AK

         ????????!xo??UL?%

                          PT?@?4p0 6K??Color LCD

     

    If they're only using Samsung I wonder what they'll be putting into the first gen rMBPs next year or the year after when we come back with IR problems.  I've still got 2 years of AppleCare, so if the IR does come back I wonder if they'll even have any LGs to give me.

  • 8,392. Re: MacBook Pro Retina display burn-in?
    Colonel.Cool Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Even if they are using mostly Samsung's screens in the 15", 13" users are still going to get IR as reported earlier in this theard as LG is the only supplier of 13" retina screen. Morality : If you want an IR Free Retina MBP, get a 15" or wait for Apple to change his screen technology next year probably (with IGZO screens).

  • 8,393. Re: MacBook Pro Retina display burn-in?
    Chris Yates1 Level 1 Level 1 (35 points)

    I'm not sure if it's me confused or others but from what I understand it's only LG that have the IR issues not the Samsung displays. The Samsung displays suffered with yellowing screens and gradients from left to right.

  • 8,394. Re: MacBook Pro Retina display burn-in?
    vkin Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Has anyone brought 13". I guess new IRIS Pro can handle 13" better than 15". the reason I want to buy 13" but am afraid of this burn in issue

  • 8,395. Re: MacBook Pro Retina display burn-in?
    Chris Yates1 Level 1 Level 1 (35 points)

    The 13" doesn't come with Iris Pro but Iris.

     

    At the moment it looks like all screens on the new ones are Samsung so IR shouldn't be an issue. You might be better of waiting a little while and keep checking the forums to see what people are saying.

  • 8,396. Re: MacBook Pro Retina display burn-in?
    Canuck1970 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Kirk Eberle wrote:

     

    Thanks! (FYI for Anyone reading through this, I needed to install developer tools to make the above Terminal command work)

     

    Yup, it must be a Samsung:

    LSN154YL01-A01

    DLM33720124FF0PAK

    Color LCD


     

    I'm assuming that's good? Or will I be eating image retention crow in due time?

     

    (Had a Plasma TV in my time...know FULL WELL how annoying image retention can be. Thought I'd share that!)

     

    It looks like you won the rMBP display lottery dude. Congratulations!

     

    Now, just pray that nothing breaks down on your machine and guard it with your life against damage and/or theft, because you might not be as lucky if you end up having to replace your machine or display panel.

     

    This is the reason why I'm still involved with this thread, because although my IR-laden LG display was replaced with a flawless Samsung like yours, there's a good chance I won't be as lucky next time...at least not until Apple cleans up their act and fixes this issue.

     

    To be honest though, after a year of speaking out about this, it's pretty disheartening to see the issue still present with a new release. That being said, Apple does buy all of the components required for the entire life of a product, up front, and the Haswell update on the 15-inch rMBPs is not that dramatic a change, so it's very likely that Apple is still pulling their displays from the same crummy spin-the-wheel-and-cross-your-fingers batch.

     

    In any case, unless Apple fixes their display problems, I will not be upgrading anytime soon and I will likely use my current machine for a long time.

  • 8,397. Re: MacBook Pro Retina display burn-in?
    Colonel.Cool Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Yes someone did and reported a few pages ago that the 13" are still suffering from IR. Sorry ...

  • 8,398. Re: MacBook Pro Retina display burn-in?
    trgn Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    @LifeReceiver, lel62

     

    Same here, there's no information except for `Color LCD` with ioreg -lw0 | grep "EDID" | sed "/[^<]*</s///" | xxd -p -r | strings -6 on a 15" late 2013 base model.

     

    I tried your commands, LifeReceiver, and got this for the last one:

     

    ???????"??!xo??UL?%

                       PT?@?4p0 6K??Color LCD

       ?

     

     

    I don't find any evident retention or other quality issues – but this is my first day in front of a more decent screen.

    As there seem to be people getting Samsung display info from these searches I guess they sold something else to me.

  • 8,399. Re: MacBook Pro Retina display burn-in?
    Kirk Eberle Level 1 Level 1 (35 points)

    Oh wow. Good to know!


    I never even knew this problem existed until yesterday, a few hours before I marched out to grab one. I'm INSANELY picky with my displays, and certainly would notice any yellow-ish dicolorations if there any to be seen. If it's said that I won the screen lottery, that's discouraging.

     

    Good luck people, just wanted to chuck my experience into the pile. Usually, it's a vocal minority spoiling things for everyone.

     

    You can trust I'll be back right here if my experience shifts from positive. It's only day 2 of owning this thing...

     

    *knocks on wood