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  • William Porter Calculating status...
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    Oct 25, 2013 8:21 AM (in response to Ernie Stamper)

    Ernie,

     

    I'm not using CS-anything, so I'm not sure, but the sliders in LR5 look similar to those in your screenshot. But not quite identical. Here's a picture from LR5 (although LR4 looked exactly the same, if memory serves). I've drawn a little yellow arrow on the screenshot to point (not very accurately I see!) to the small circle-within-a-circle button that activates the tool that lets you drag down or up on a point in the picture to decrease or increase its luminance.

     

    LR5 bw sliders.png

     

    GREAT little video here that shows you in a few seconds how it works. When I'm working in Aperture, this is something I miss. I can play around in Aperture with the RGB sliders until I get something I like the look of. But I don't really understand what I'm doing. In LR, I have the feeling that I'm manipulating the colors I want to manipulate directly and easily. Want to lighten that green grass? Click on it and drag up.

     

    I also included the Split Toning panel, which is (conveniently) right below B&W. This is one of my least favorite tools in Lightroom. I've worked through tutorials on this tool repeatedly and I still don't feel comfortable with it. Seems to be quite powerful — but it gets my right brain overheating, as if I were using Photoshop. I'm not crazy about the color monochrome tool in Aperture, either, to be honest. Maybe this split-toning thing is just hard.

     

    Will

  • Frank Caggiano Level 7 Level 7 (22,830 points)
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    Oct 25, 2013 8:25 AM (in response to William Porter)

    You do realize that in  Aperture if you convert to B&W the other bricks continue to work? You're not limited to only using  the B&W brick.

  • Frank Caggiano Level 7 Level 7 (22,830 points)
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    Oct 25, 2013 8:35 AM (in response to malachy69)

    No Apple will not view this and change anything. If you have specific request you need to send in feedback, use the link I posted a few posts back.

     

    If enough people were to send this feedback to Apple there might be a change. Just posting here will not have any effect.

     

    regards

  • William Porter Level 1 Level 1 (45 points)
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    Oct 25, 2013 8:43 AM (in response to Frank Caggiano)

    Frank,

     

    I'm not sure what you're saying. Are you saying that other panels in LR do not work when you use black and white? Which other panels?

     

    In Lightroom, as in Aperture, the various tools for contrast, highlight/shadows, tone curve, etc. continue to work in black and white. But yes, if you use LR's standard black and white conversion (i.e. the black and white sliders), the HSL and Color sliders become unavailable, as do the Vibrance and Saturdation sliders. This seems to me to make pretty good sense. I am aware that the Color panel in Aperture remains active after typing Cntl-M (to active black and white) — but as far as I can tell its impact on the image is slight.

     

    Now there is another way to do black and white in Lightroom and it's sometimes offered as a superior method. Instead of using the black and white "command", go to the Saturation group of sliders and move 'em all to the left — that, desaturate all the colors completely. This allows those other tools normally disabled by black and white to remain enabled. But the other tools then have no more powerful effect in LR than the corresponding tools in Aperture. After doing hundreds and hundreds of black and white conversions in LR (mostly before discovering Silver Efex Pro, I might add) I decided that it's just as effective and much easier to just use the B&W sliders. But to each his own and I'm all for options (well as long as they don't make my head hurt).

     

    Will

     

    Frank Caggiano wrote:

     

    You do realize that in  Aperture if you convert to B&W the other bricks continue to work? You're not limited to only using  the B&W brick.

  • Frank Caggiano Level 7 Level 7 (22,830 points)
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    Oct 25, 2013 8:52 AM (in response to William Porter)

    I'm not sure what you're saying. Are you saying that other panels in LR do not work when you use black and white? Which other panels?

    I said what I said, the other bricks in Aperture work as well when converting to B&W. The discussion made it sound lake the only B&W adjustments you have in Aperture are the B&W brick. Just wanted to make sure everyone realized that.

     

    I don't believe I mention Lightroom or any other software in my post. If I confused you I apologize.

     

    regards

  • William Porter Level 1 Level 1 (45 points)
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    Oct 25, 2013 9:36 AM (in response to Jeffrey Jones2)

    No, a free trial would NOT have deterred me, at least it never has with anything else. I've been known to try the same software over and over again until I make my mind. It's not that hard.

     

    And having a free trial with an expiration date might actually have had the opposite effect. It might have encouraged me to work with the app a little more purposefully. Maybe I would have started using Aperture sooner.

     

    I mentioned my own case simply to be honest. But I'm not a "normal" buyer of software. Not to put too fine a point on it, I buy a lot of software that I don't actually end up using. Smarter shoppers than I aren't so profligate. And as I said, the lack of a free trial makes it much harder for me to recommend things to people. It's easy to say: Try Lightroom, or Photo Ninja, or PS Elements, or DxO Optics Pro version 9 — there are free trials, you can't lose. With Aperture, I simply do not make that recommendation. I'm willing to tell people what I like about Aperture — but I always end up making a disclaimer.

     

    And because the free trial of Lightroom 5 was available, I recently tried it again — and decided that it does have some nifty features that help me with some of my images. So I've now paid for the upgrade. I'm still using Aperture, too, mainly. And now and then PhotoNinja, and even DxO Optics Pro.

     

    The lack of a free demo these days for a product like this is simply indefensible. I cannot see any advantage to it. And it's really too bad. With Apple's increasing market share in the PC market and with the growing number of photographers, Aperture should (a) have a fantastic version 4 already released and (b) be widely regarded as the photo editing software of choice for serious photographers, at least on the Mac. But they don't, and it's not. I am getting more and more nervous that Aperture will be one more fantastic product that Apple loses interest in and eventually drops.

     

    Will

     

     

    Jeffrey Jones2 wrote:

     

    Now, full disclosure: I did buy Aperture when the price dropped to $75. I bought it, tried it, couldn't figure it out, and abandoned it. It wasn't until I went back to it many months later that it "clicked" with me. So their pricing policy didn't deter me.

    So a free trial would have detered you. "Many months later", the trial would have expired…

  • Greg Zenitsky Level 1 Level 1 (95 points)
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    Oct 26, 2013 8:28 AM (in response to Shuttleworth125)

    I disagree that Aperture is primarily a DAM tool. In my experience, after several years of working with different tools and workflow methods (photomechanic w/Capture NX2, LR 3-5, Bibble Pro, etc.), I have found that Aperture is as good a raw conversion tool as any. Certainly, the DAM capabilities of Aperture are tops in my book.

  • Greg Zenitsky Level 1 Level 1 (95 points)
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    Oct 26, 2013 8:34 AM (in response to malachy69)

    Good discussion people!

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