Gerd Castan

Q: Numbers 3 has bugs in calculations.

Hi,

 

Numbers 3 has bugs in calculations. And I do not mean rounding errors. I mean plain wrong. How can I get back to my older version? I have a time machine backup.

 

Thanks,

Gerd

MacBook Pro, OS X Mavericks (10.9)

Posted on Oct 25, 2013 3:42 PM

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  • by Jerrold Green1,

    Jerrold Green1 Jerrold Green1 Oct 25, 2013 4:05 PM in response to Gerd Castan
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    Oct 25, 2013 4:05 PM in response to Gerd Castan

    Gerd,

     

    Would you mind sharing with us what the error was?

     

    Jerry

  • by Gerd Castan,

    Gerd Castan Gerd Castan Oct 25, 2013 4:18 PM in response to Jerrold Green1
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    Oct 25, 2013 4:18 PM in response to Jerrold Green1

    Jerry,

     

    Yes. But it's after 1 o'clock in the morning here, I need sleep and the bug is in my personal finances sheet.

    I will try to make a simple example file without my personal finances after I wake up again.

     

    Gerd

  • by Jerrold Green1,

    Jerrold Green1 Jerrold Green1 Oct 25, 2013 4:22 PM in response to Gerd Castan
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    Oct 25, 2013 4:22 PM in response to Gerd Castan

    Gerd,

     

    When you come back we can answer any questions you have on finding and using the old version. Hint - look in Applications, iWork.

     

    Jerry

  • by Gerd Castan,

    Gerd Castan Gerd Castan Oct 26, 2013 6:08 AM in response to Jerrold Green1
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    Oct 26, 2013 6:08 AM in response to Jerrold Green1

    Jerry,

     

    I wrote a blog post on how to reproduce the bug. Notice that I wasn't able to upload the numbers file in a way that it works after download. As soon as I find a way, I will upload it.

     

    Here is the description of the bug: http://www.gerdcastan.de/en/content/numbers-3-cell-bug

     

    Gerd

     

    Message was edited by: Gerd Castan (typo)

  • by Gerd Castan,

    Gerd Castan Gerd Castan Oct 26, 2013 8:03 AM in response to Gerd Castan
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    Oct 26, 2013 8:03 AM in response to Gerd Castan

    I uploaded an example file to the blog article.

    http://www.gerdcastan.de/en/content/numbers-3-cell-bug

     

    Gerd

  • by Reiner _B,

    Reiner _B Reiner _B Oct 26, 2013 11:53 AM in response to Gerd Castan
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    Oct 26, 2013 11:53 AM in response to Gerd Castan

    Hi Gerd,

     

    I found the same Bug in a Spreadsheet I use. German System . It. Happens in a  formula where monthnames are compared.

     

    Has anyone Fund this too?

     

     

    Reiner

  • by SGIII,

    SGIII SGIII Oct 26, 2013 12:32 PM in response to Gerd Castan
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    Oct 26, 2013 12:32 PM in response to Gerd Castan

    Hi Gerd,

     

    I opened the document and here is what I get. As you can see, it doesn't seem to be a Numbers bug.

     

    Screen Shot 2013-10-26 at 3.19.18 PM.png

     

    I see you have the data format for the first row of the Jährliches Budget nach Monaten table set to Automatic and the format for the Monat column as a pop-up. You could try changing the data format for the first row of the Jährliches Budget nach Monaten table to a pop-up (and add the same pop-up list as you have in the yada table) and see if that helps.

     

    Or maybe it's related somehow to your Language & Region preferences (System Preferences>Language & Region>Advanced>Dates.... Mine are like this and it's possible Numbers 3 is too fussy about what it expects.

     

    Screen Shot 2013-10-26 at 3.21.33 PM.png

     

    SG

  • by SGIII,

    SGIII SGIII Oct 26, 2013 12:36 PM in response to SGIII
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    Oct 26, 2013 12:36 PM in response to SGIII

    When I change the Format language to German the spreadsheet still works here.

     

    Screen Shot 2013-10-26 at 03.34.47 nachm..png

     

    SG

  • by SGIII,

    SGIII SGIII Oct 26, 2013 12:54 PM in response to SGIII
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    Oct 26, 2013 12:54 PM in response to SGIII

    On other thought. Numbers seems to be a little *too* smart about guessing whether you mean a date or not. For example if you type Jan into a cell on your system it will probably convert that to a date and show Januar. It probably is taking the text values from the Pop-up and converting those to dates too. To avoid unwanted conversion to a date try typing an apostrophe (single quote or ') in front of it and it will show just Jan and not convert to a date. (Jerry posted that trick in another thread).

     

    So here you could format both row 1 of the Jährliches Budget nach Monaten table and column Monat of the yada table as Text and type the month names in with a ' in front of each.  That way the SUMIF formula should find an exact match.  This, of course, becomes a problem if you have more than one Januar (i.e. more than one year in your budget). But for one year it should work.

     

    SG


  • by Gerd Castan,

    Gerd Castan Gerd Castan Oct 26, 2013 1:00 PM in response to SGIII
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    Oct 26, 2013 1:00 PM in response to SGIII

    SGII, I never typed a month name. It comes from a drop down box.

     

    Gerd

  • by SGIII,

    SGIII SGIII Oct 26, 2013 1:06 PM in response to Gerd Castan
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    Oct 26, 2013 1:06 PM in response to Gerd Castan

    Hi Gerd,

     

    Right. I see the pop-up here too. What I'm thinking is that under the hood Numbers 3 may be converting the text from the Pop-up choice you make into a date, just as if you had typed it in.  So a possible workaround is to not use dates at all just the month names as text. That should work if you have only one year.

     

    SG

  • by SGIII,

    SGIII SGIII Oct 26, 2013 1:11 PM in response to SGIII
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    Oct 26, 2013 1:11 PM in response to SGIII

    Another quick thing to try is retyping the months up top and re-choosing the month in each pop-up.

     

    Maybe they didn't import correctly (if this was a document you used before in Numbers '09)

     

    SG

  • by Gerd Castan,

    Gerd Castan Gerd Castan Oct 26, 2013 1:14 PM in response to Gerd Castan
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    Oct 26, 2013 1:14 PM in response to Gerd Castan

    Ok, I changed the language format of the operating system to english, then reopened the Numbers file -> fixed.

     

    This workaround doesn't solve the problem but we now know how to test.

     

    Gerd

  • by SGIII,

    SGIII SGIII Oct 26, 2013 1:20 PM in response to Gerd Castan
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    Oct 26, 2013 1:20 PM in response to Gerd Castan

    Now that you've got it working in English, if you switch back to German again, does it still work?

     

    SG

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