PeterBreis0807

Q: Pages 5 features checklist

As you go through the new Pages 5 can you please add an added, missing or altered features here please.

 

I will start with some culled from the general discussions and if you could correct any errors add them:

 

Added

 

1. Right to Left text ie Arabic, Farsi & Hebrew. Uncertain about Pashtu

 

2. Single model templates. You turn off document text to get rid of the default. Not sure if this then can be mixed and matched with Word Processing templates

 

3. Able to share outside iCloud

 

Missing

 

1. Selecting non-contiguous text gone

 

2. Outline view appears gone

 

3. Customizable Toolbar is gone

 

4. Many templates appear gone

 

5. Captured pages gone

 

6. Reorganize pages by dragging gone

 

7. Duplicate pages gone

 

8. Subscript/superscript buttons gone

 

9. Select all instances of a Style is gone

 

10. Retain zoom level of document gone

 

11. Facing pages gone

 

12. Endnotes gone

 

13. Media Inspector can't find iPhoto library on external drive

 

14. Update is missing for older installations, Apple is reportedly working on a solution via a redeemable code or update on the ir Support Download site

 

Altered

 

1. Language set under Edit > Spelling and Grammar > Show Spelling and Grammar now document wide

 

2. Subscript/superscript text is now a convoluted route Gear > Advanced options > Baseline > Subscript/Superscript

 

3. Header appears to be multi-column

 

4. New file format (but still .pages?) not backwardly compatible

 

5. Page numbering method changed

 

6. T.O.C. appears buggy

 

7. Template file storage location moved - to where?

 

8. Imported older .pages files are not translating properly

 

9. Text language is detected automatically now

 

Letting you know I can't test or verify any of these as I haven't got Mavericks yet.

 

Peter

iMac, OS X Mountain Lion (10.8.4)

Posted on Oct 22, 2013 7:57 PM

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  • by rogerfromnorwalk,

    rogerfromnorwalk rogerfromnorwalk Oct 27, 2013 1:30 PM in response to gabriele1973
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    Oct 27, 2013 1:30 PM in response to gabriele1973

    That's a mistake: you can put accented characters in foots/headers in PAges 5.

  • by littlekelli,

    littlekelli littlekelli Oct 27, 2013 1:33 PM in response to PeterBreis0807
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    Oct 27, 2013 1:33 PM in response to PeterBreis0807

    I talked to tech support.  They stated that the Apple engineers are VERY much aware of the issues, and are working on fixing ( Delete page, duplicate page, etc). 

     

    Noone I talked to could explain why we lost all of our templetes/samples in this new verision.  Now we do have the iworks 09 folder and pages 4.3 is in there. go to application, and click on the folder.  You can go in, and save all the templets as "my templetes" and have them all.  Just an idea. 

  • by littlekelli,

    littlekelli littlekelli Oct 27, 2013 1:49 PM in response to littlekelli
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    Oct 27, 2013 1:49 PM in response to littlekelli

    Update:  Cant seem to save the templets from pages 4.3, and find them in pages 5.0 templets.  So my theory wont work. Sorry guys

  • by Franken,

    Franken Franken Oct 27, 2013 2:06 PM in response to PeterBreis0807
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    Oct 27, 2013 2:06 PM in response to PeterBreis0807

    Missing feature?

     

    I can't seem to find character spacing anywhere? Is it gone or am I not seeing something?

  • by 8aseem8,

    8aseem8 8aseem8 Oct 27, 2013 2:30 PM in response to Tristan Hubsch
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    Oct 27, 2013 2:30 PM in response to Tristan Hubsch

    8aseem8 wrote:

     

    • Can't split cells in tables created on Pages 5.0

     

    Try the Format/Table/Unmerge Cells menu item.

     

    I did see the 'Unmerge' menu item, but I meant that the functionality to split a single cell has been removed. No biggie, I guess I'll have to rethink the methods I use to create tables!

     

     

    • Cant set the thickness or colour of table grid lines

     

    Select the desired cell; in the Format sidebar select the Cell tab, and the triangle next to "Border." This will let you choose the type, thickness and color of cell edges, applied by clicking one of the nine little icons called "border pattern." BTW, selecting the "Table" tab gives additional border control over the whole table.

     

    You're amazing, did you know that? I really should poke around in the App before ranting about it online!

  • by Tristan Hubsch,

    Tristan Hubsch Tristan Hubsch Oct 27, 2013 2:56 PM in response to 8aseem8
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    Oct 27, 2013 2:56 PM in response to 8aseem8

    8aseem8 wrote:

     

     

    I did see the 'Unmerge' menu item, but I meant that the functionality to split a single cell has been removed. No biggie, I guess I'll have to rethink the methods I use to create tables!

     

    Suppose you have a table of 3 rows and 3 columns, and would like to split the cell in the 2nd row and 2nd column into two cells, side-by-side. Whilst Pages 5.0 cannot just split this one cell into two, you can do the following:

    1. Select the cell (in this case, B2).
    2. Move the cursor over the column header ("B") and notice the triangle on the right.
    3. Click the triangle to get a pop-down menu of actions, and select "Add Column After."
    4. Row-by-row, merge the cells from column B with the newly created column C, except the one(s) you want spllit.

    Transpose row/column for getting a cell effectively split horizontally. I know this is much more work (esp. with really large tables) than simply splitting an individual cell, but the end result is what (I think) you wanted. Of course, if you can foresee that you'll need those few selected cells split additionally, you can start off with more columns/rows...

  • by AleMello,

    AleMello AleMello Oct 27, 2013 3:31 PM in response to py99ajh
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    Oct 27, 2013 3:31 PM in response to py99ajh

    It's there, in the right column's top. But I'm missing to many things, too. One huge step back. Hope they walk forward faster.

  • by Tristan Hubsch,

    Tristan Hubsch Tristan Hubsch Oct 27, 2013 3:39 PM in response to robogobo
    Level 2 (210 points)
    Oct 27, 2013 3:39 PM in response to robogobo

    robogobo wrote:

     

    And yes, this is complaining about change.  The majority of the complaints are about alterations, not exclusions, and there's very little recognition of the improvements.  And little to no acknowledgement that this is an x.0 release which is always dangerous for a workflow [...]

     

    Ahem... It is Apple (the manufacturer, who probably knows—or should know—better than any Tom, Dick, Hary, you or I) who calls it "version 5.0"; not "version x.0 which is always dangerous to a workflow." But, thanks for clarifying what it really should have been called, in your opinion at least. Also, while we're at it, do you claim that "Pages 5.0" (as Apple calls it) is a mislabeled product that should have been billed as "Pages 0.x" or is even the name of the program name mislabeled? I have suggested "Pagelets"…

     

    Can we please stop the mud-slinging (lutum iactatio ), and stick to collating a correct list of features:

    1. added (PeterBreis0807 did list them first, now, didn't he?)
    2. missing (= no Pages 5.0 workaround, as best as known to us—but Apple may illuminate)
    3. altered (= workflow different or there is a workaround)

    Of course, only those in group 2 make sense to be transmitted to Apple; groups 1. and 3. are for the benefit of the users reading this thread and attempting to use "Pages 5.0" (as Apple calls it).

  • by Tristan Hubsch,

    Tristan Hubsch Tristan Hubsch Oct 27, 2013 3:42 PM in response to Tristan Hubsch
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    Oct 27, 2013 3:42 PM in response to Tristan Hubsch

    My previous post in response to robogobo contained a Freudian slip of dyslexia: IMHO, "Pages 5.0" really should have been called "Pagelets 0.x". That made me dyslexically misread "x.0" in robogobo's post as "0.x".

  • by papalapapp,

    papalapapp papalapapp Oct 27, 2013 4:56 PM in response to PeterBreis0807
    Level 1 (95 points)
    Mac OS X
    Oct 27, 2013 4:56 PM in response to PeterBreis0807

    Just discovered that there can be multiple TOCs now. Not only one for the entire document but also per section or "until the next TOC" (can't translate it better). Don't know exactly how it works, but I found the menu items. In the side bar it is well hiden and it will only show up after you have gone through the menu and created the TOC. Insert > TOC > ...

  • by Celotil,

    Celotil Celotil Oct 27, 2013 5:16 PM in response to papalapapp
    Level 1 (5 points)
    Oct 27, 2013 5:16 PM in response to papalapapp

    Well, whoop-de-do.

     

    Did they finally add in an Index function though? That's one of the few functions I was waiting for, but I didn't get a chance to look for it in 5 before I uninstalled it out of annoyance.

  • by 8aseem8,

    8aseem8 8aseem8 Oct 27, 2013 5:27 PM in response to Tristan Hubsch
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    Oct 27, 2013 5:27 PM in response to Tristan Hubsch

    Tristan Hubsch wrote:

     

    8aseem8 wrote:

     

     

    I did see the 'Unmerge' menu item, but I meant that the functionality to split a single cell has been removed. No biggie, I guess I'll have to rethink the methods I use to create tables!

     

    Suppose you have a table of 3 rows and 3 columns, and would like to split the cell in the 2nd row and 2nd column into two cells, side-by-side. Whilst Pages 5.0 cannot just split this one cell into two, you can do the following:

    1. Select the cell (in this case, B2).
    2. Move the cursor over the column header ("B") and notice the triangle on the right.
    3. Click the triangle to get a pop-down menu of actions, and select "Add Column After."
    4. Row-by-row, merge the cells from column B with the newly created column C, except the one(s) you want spllit.

    Transpose row/column for getting a cell effectively split horizontally. I know this is much more work (esp. with really large tables) than simply splitting an individual cell, but the end result is what (I think) you wanted. Of course, if you can foresee that you'll need those few selected cells split additionally, you can start off with more columns/rows...

     

    Yeah, I thought that would be the solution. However, it is definitly not intuative! To create intricate tables, I guess it'll be easier to make giant, grid-like tables and merge everything!

  • by papalapapp,

    papalapapp papalapapp Oct 27, 2013 6:55 PM in response to Celotil
    Level 1 (95 points)
    Mac OS X
    Oct 27, 2013 6:55 PM in response to Celotil

    Celotil wrote:

     

    Well, whoop-de-do.

     

    Did they finally add in an Index function though? That's one of the few functions I was waiting for, but I didn't get a chance to look for it in 5 before I uninstalled it out of annoyance.

     

    Hmmm, I don't think so. It's "just" multiple TOCs per document.

     

    EDIT: But then again... you can have one or more for the whole document and separates per section etc.. Each can show custom styles, so yes, you coud in theory add an index for images, given you apply a specific style to your image captions. I have just tested it a few minutes, but it looks like pretty cool stuff so far.

  • by Peter Thomson,

    Peter Thomson Peter Thomson Oct 27, 2013 7:56 PM in response to littlekelli
    Level 2 (350 points)
    Mac OS X
    Oct 27, 2013 7:56 PM in response to littlekelli

    littlekelli wrote:

     

    Update:  Cant seem to save the templets from pages 4.3, and find them in pages 5.0 templets.  So my theory wont work. Sorry guys

    To move a template to Pages 5, here is what I did.

    1. Open 4.3 and choose the template I want.
    2. Add every available page option in the template to the file.
    3. Choose Save as Template and save to my Desktop.
    4. Close the file.
    5. Open file in Pages 5 and it will put the template in correct template folder.
    6. Rename it with the name I want.

     

    Not as easy as drag and drop, but at least it gets all the different page options in there. Bummer that Apple dropped the good page layout templates.

  • by PeterBreis0807,

    PeterBreis0807 PeterBreis0807 Oct 27, 2013 9:15 PM in response to littlekelli
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    Mac OS X
    Oct 27, 2013 9:15 PM in response to littlekelli

    littlekelli wrote:

     

    I talked to tech support.  They stated that the Apple engineers are VERY much aware of the issues, and are working on fixing ( Delete page, duplicate page, etc). 

     

    Noone I talked to could explain why we lost all of our templetes/samples in this new verision.  Now we do have the iworks 09 folder and pages 4.3 is in there. go to application, and click on the folder.  You can go in, and save all the templets as "my templetes" and have them all.  Just an idea. 

     

    Doesn't sound like any of the people you talked to uses or understands Pages.

     

    The templates are gone because Pages 5 can't open them without breaking them.

     

    A bit embarassing, even for Apple.

     

    Peter

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