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  • 630. Re: Pages 5 features checklist
    PeterBreis0807 Level 7 Level 7 (29,620 points)

    robogobo wrote:

     

    I already took this one earlier in the thread.  I suggested browsing versions and restoring, but I'm sure you were too busy contacting the mods to have my posts removed to notice.  Peter, you seem to be having trouble accepting change.  Peter, you seem to be having trouble giving new things a chance.  Peter, you seem to be having trouble trying to see any viewpoint other than your own.  That post you had removed earlier was not the least bit offensive, broke no rules and was the plain and simple truth.  You need to be a little more level headed here.

    PeterBreis0807 wrote:

     

    Hey Joey,

     

    Can you take this one?

     

    https://discussions.apple.com/thread/5491243?tstart=0

     

    Peter

     

    Odd how you are always "sure".

     

    I never contact the Mods, it was Apple, who you unquestioningly defend.

     

    I am an absolute believer in free speech. The only thing I ever remove from my own Blogs is spam, and only that because it makes it hard to read the rest of the posts.

     

    I love change, but not change for change's sake. Particularly downgrades posing as "upgrades". I run several OSes on several computers just for the heck of it, and to try different things. The same with software. I am constantly playing with and experimenting with software, which gives me a broad experience of what works and what doesn't. What is good design and what is just plain stupid. Particularly what seems self evident to me is the logic of usability.

     

    I do understand you and your response to me. Steve Hawkings said one of the things that makes him a lightning rod for hatred is that he speaks clearly and to the point. People don't like that, they really want waffle and head patting.

     

    So, there there! It wasn't me, and let me present you with this Random Employee of the Month Certificate.

     

    Keep up the good work.

     

    Peter

  • 631. Re: Pages 5 features checklist
    PeterBreis0807 Level 7 Level 7 (29,620 points)

    Updated Check List

     

    New Pages 5 added, removed or altered features:

     

    Added

     

    + Right to Left text

     

    + Single model templates. No More Word Processing/Layout templates

     

    + Share outside iCloud

     

    + Phonetic Guide for Chinese & Japanese

     

    + Custom Template names can be changed inside the Template Chooser by right clicking

     

    + Custom Templates can be deleted inside the Template Chooser by right clicking

     

    + Text language is detected automatically

     

    + Collaboration

     

    + Unite overlapping Textboxes

     

    + Extra Shadow effects

     

    + Double click to mask image

     

    + Instant Alpha target zoom

     

    + 16 more languages

     

    + Multiple T.O.C. and can have them for each section

     

    Removed

     

    Select non-contiguous text

     

    Outline view

     

    Customizable Toolbar

     

    135 templates

     

    Capture pages/sections

     

    Drag reorganize pages

     

    Duplicate pages

     

    Delete page

     

    Manage Pages

     

    Subscript/superscript buttons

     

    Select all instances of a Style

     

    Retain zoom level of document

     

    Facing pages

     

    Layout Margins

     

    Media Inspector links to iPhoto library on external drive

     

    Media Inspector links to Aperture Library

     

    Alignment Guides

     

    Styles Drawer

     

    Merge Fields

     

    Drag and Drop VCards

     

    Default Start Up page

     

    Vertical Ruler

     

    Style Function key shortcuts

     

    Bookmarks

     

    Hyperlinks to external documents

     

    Images within Tables

     

    Mathtype Equations/Formulae within Tables (and other Objects?)

     

    Grapher Equations/Formulae within Tables (and other Objects?)

     

    Import Styles

     

    Clean Import of older .pages formatting

     

    User Guide

     

    Search Sidebar

     

    Open Type features

     

    Textbox linking

     

    Background Object selectable

     

    Storyboards

     

    Text to Tables

     

    Tables to Text

     

    Tables in Headers/Footers

     

    Word export to iCloud

     

    Export to .rtf

     

    Import from .rtf

     

    Multiple Comments view

     

    T.O.C. clean numbering

     

    Character Styles  ?

     

    List Styles   ?

     

    Selective formating in Character Styles

     

    Insert File Name

     

    Search in Media Browser

     

    Bullet points in comments

     

    Search comments

     

    Two up view

     

    Paste and keep style

     

    Accented characters in Footer

     

    Custom Auto-correct

     

    Mask with shapes other than rectangle

     

    Find & Replace special characters eg paragraph returns

     

    Auto-Dates on opening document

     

    Speech to Text

     

    Format Bar

     

    Open Pages '08 documents

     

    Headers in Tables

     

    Sync with iOS6

     

    Auto capitalise sentence start

     

    Open .doc files

     

    Roman Numeral Page Numbers

     

    Character count including spaces

     

    Import linked Numbers Charts

     

    Styles including bulletted lists

     

    Recent fonts at top of Font List

     

    Page of Page Count at foot of Window

     

    Full Screen background color

     

    Font name matching between OSX and iOS

     

    Copy/Paste from Pages '09 to Pages 5

     

    Certain Fonts eg WingDings

     

    Saving onto Windows server

     

    Status bar

     

    Drag out inserted image to Finder.

     

    Uninstall permanently

     

    Altered

     

    ↪ Pages '09 files saved from Pages 5 in Maverick are not protected by a simple name change eg (converted appended)

     

    ↪ Pages '09 files previewed on iPad via iCloud are irrevocably converted

     

    ↪ Update is missing for older installations, Apple is reportedly working on a solution via a redeemable code or update on their Support Download site

     

    ↪ Wrap methods have been cut back severely

     

    ↪ Documents reconverted back to Pages '09 lose all template information

     

    ↪ Language set under Edit > Spelling and Grammar > Show Spelling and Grammar now document wide

     

    ↪ Subscript/superscript text is now a convoluted route Gear > Advanced options > Baseline > Subscript/Superscript

     

    ↪ Headers and Footers appear to be multi-column

     

    ↪ Text is not wrapping in Footers

     

    ↪ New file format (but still .pages?) not backwardly compatible

     

    ↪ Page numbering method changed

     

    ↪ Custom Templates are now stored in ~/Library/Containers/com.apple.iWork.pages (a package)

     

    ↪ AppleScript Library for Pages 5 has changed with many classes and commands removed which indicates how the feature lists have been slashed

     

    ↪ Character Styles are in the Text Inspector under Bold, Italic etc

     

    ↪ Tabbing within Table cells appears to be inconsistent, tabbing internally with numbers.

     

    ↪ Drag and Drop text only works with .txt files now

     

    ↪ EndNote plugin is partially broken unable to cite in footnotes and problems with in-text numbering

     

    ↪ List options are now in a pop-down menu in the contextual Inspector

     

    ↪ .doc no longer supported, only .docx

     

    ↪ Text highlighting is now under Format > gear icon > Advanced Options > Character Fill Color > Color

     

    ↪ Mail Merge has changed. Some people are reporting links not working despite Merge is still in the Insert Menu

     

    ↪ Merging Table cells is now: select the cell/s > Format > Table > Merge

     

    ↪ Unmerge cells only undoes the above

     

    ↪ Table Borders is now: select the cell/s > Format > Table > Cell > click on triangle > choose

     

    ↪ Quicklook preview of Pages '09 files in Maverick is reportedly buggy

     

    ↪ Layout Breaks work differently. You select the paragraphs you want as an exception and then change the column numbers. Currently can't find how to set before and after spacing or margin inset btw This is a totally undocumented and hidden procedure.

  • 632. Re: Pages 5 features checklist
    Celotil Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)

    cheekyjeremy wrote:

     

    There seems to be a lot of reference to people waiting for Apple to fix these things. These things are not some overlooked glitch, or a programming problem. These changes are a fundamental direction change from professional to mom and pop make a letter to their kids. They wanted compatability with the ios versions, and rather than improving ios versions, they reduced the mac version down to the standard of the ios version.

     

    While you may see the odd feature return, this is a fundamental change in how they see the product. As the product is now free, it is not like they are going to see a revenue decline from unhappy users.

     

    2009 it is

     

    They *are* glitches, just not in the software but instead in the lackwit who okayed this downgrade for release.

     

    I don't care what product you make, you don't release something that does less than its predecessor and call it better. That's just ******* stupid, and gives your destractors an even bigger target to sling **** at.

     

    Apple should have waited to release this until the iWork '13 for OS X was as feature complete as '09 is now. We've already been waiting for a few years, I wouldn't have minded waiting just a bit longer.

     

    I can't work on '13 documents in '09 because of the lack of formatting tools, and I can't even open documents made in '13 on '09 even though there's less complexity in the documents made with '13.

     

    Yes, Apple has made a fundamental change in direction, and then they got the gearbox stuck in reverse and slammed the pedal down.

  • 633. Re: Pages 5 features checklist
    Peter Thomson Level 2 Level 2 (350 points)

    Alignment guides are included. Turn them on in preferences.

    Delete page is available when Document Body is unchecked in Document Setup.

    Pages Preferences.png

  • 634. Re: Pages 5 features checklist
    fruhulda Level 6 Level 6 (15,110 points)

    littlekelli - you have to open teh 4.3 templates and save them as ordinary documents which you can opmn in Pages 5.0. In Pages 5.0 you can save them as templates to get them in the Pages 5.0 templates folder.

  • 635. Re: Pages 5 features checklist
    PeterBreis0807 Level 7 Level 7 (29,620 points)

    …but without the Captured Sections/Pages.

     

    Peter

  • 636. Re: Pages 5 features checklist
    fruhulda Level 6 Level 6 (15,110 points)

    They could be added/opened before saving the document though.

  • 637. Re: Pages 5 features checklist
    fruhulda Level 6 Level 6 (15,110 points)

    Peter Thompson - the pull down guides in Pages Layout is not in the Pages 5.0

     

    Peter Breis - Adding Word services doesn't work in Pages 5.0. I didn't test all option but of those I did only Statistic showed up. But Word services does still work on Pages 4.3 on Mavericks.

  • 638. Re: Pages 5 features checklist
    robogobo Level 2 Level 2 (290 points)

    yeah, sure. in this case, I was the lightning rod, and broke none of the rules, did I.

     

    It's not your tone that bothers me, but that you started off being objective and wound up speculating and badmouthing developers who are working hard to make things better.  This is a x.0 release as I've said many times, and deserves patience and open-minds, not bashing and jumping to conclusions.  Apple isn't trying to take things away from people.  This is a rewrite and needs time.  I'm not sure how many different ways I can state that.  good lord.

    PeterBreis0807 wrote:

     

    robogobo wrote:

     

    I already took this one earlier in the thread.  I suggested browsing versions and restoring, but I'm sure you were too busy contacting the mods to have my posts removed to notice.  Peter, you seem to be having trouble accepting change.  Peter, you seem to be having trouble giving new things a chance.  Peter, you seem to be having trouble trying to see any viewpoint other than your own.  That post you had removed earlier was not the least bit offensive, broke no rules and was the plain and simple truth.  You need to be a little more level headed here.

    PeterBreis0807 wrote:

     

    Hey Joey,

     

    Can you take this one?

     

    https://discussions.apple.com/thread/5491243?tstart=0

     

    Peter

     

    Odd how you are always "sure".

     

    I never contact the Mods, it was Apple, who you unquestioningly defend.

     

    I am an absolute believer in free speech. The only thing I ever remove from my own Blogs is spam, and only that because it makes it hard to read the rest of the posts.

     

    I love change, but not change for change's sake. Particularly downgrades posing as "upgrades". I run several OSes on several computers just for the heck of it, and to try different things. The same with software. I am constantly playing with and experimenting with software, which gives me a broad experience of what works and what doesn't. What is good design and what is just plain stupid. Particularly what seems self evident to me is the logic of usability.

     

    I do understand you and your response to me. Steve Hawkings said one of the things that makes him a lightning rod for hatred is that he speaks clearly and to the point. People don't like that, they really want waffle and head patting.

     

    So, there there! It wasn't me, and let me present you with this Random Employee of the Month Certificate.

     

    Keep up the good work.

     

    Peter

  • 639. Re: Pages 5 features checklist
    Peter Thomson Level 2 Level 2 (350 points)

    fruhulda wrote:

     

    Peter Thompson - the pull down guides in Pages Layout is not in the Pages 5.0

     

    Apologies, but I'm not sure what pull down guides are. I think I have confused features. I was referring to the alignment guides that show up when moving an object or text box, that show it's position in relation to the page or other objects on the page.

  • 640. Re: Pages 5 features checklist
    fruhulda Level 6 Level 6 (15,110 points)

    The featue is only in the Page Layout mode of Pages 09, not in the Word peocessing mode. Here is an image what it looks like. You pull them from the rulers.

    Skärmavbild 2013-10-28 kl. 08.42.46.png

  • 641. Re: Pages 5 features checklist
    Peter Thomson Level 2 Level 2 (350 points)

    fruhulda, Wow, I didn't know about those! Well, there's another reason to stay with Pages 09. Thanks for showing me that!

  • 642. Re: Pages 5 features checklist
    PeterBreis0807 Level 7 Level 7 (29,620 points)

    robogobo wrote:

     

    yeah, sure. in this case, I was the lightning rod, and broke none of the rules, did I.

     

    It's not your tone that bothers me, but that you started off being objective and wound up speculating and badmouthing developers who are working hard to make things better.  This is a x.0 release as I've said many times, and deserves patience and open-minds, not bashing and jumping to conclusions.  Apple isn't trying to take things away from people.  This is a rewrite and needs time.  I'm not sure how many different ways I can state that.  good lord.

     

    I get what's going on in your head but don't blame me if I don't agree.

     

    You are confused because not much of what you are "sure" of is real.

     

    It wasn't me that had your post/s removed. Apple's moderators struck for their own reasons.

     

    I never said my list was what you said it was. That was you saying it.

     

    The list just exists to gather details on the changes in Pages 5.

     

    By developers I think you mean Apple. Not all developers are Apple, nor behave like Apple. Apple ≠ First Best Friend, and does what it wants, including taking things away from people. I don't know how many times it has to do it before you catch on.

     

    New is not necessarily better. Pages 5 is just the latest example.

     

    You seem to be a programmer and not a User and are taking the criticism from users personally.

     

    Possibly you are a Pages user, but not a Pages User. All the Pages Users here get the significant difference.

     

    If you were a real Pages User you would appreciate the significance of damaging people's work, pushing an inferior version* on Pages Users, making it difficult to revert documents, making it difficult to switch back to a working version of Pages, removing the superior version from the market and dead-ending all work for that application.

     

    All which was easily avoidable and has now put all Pages Users between a rock and a hard place.

     

    Peter

     

    * Without warning.

  • 643. Re: Pages 5 features checklist
    KiltedGreen Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    This constantly updated list of features is partially wrong. I posted a correction earlier but it seems to have been lost:

     

    * All documents open at 125%. Zoom level is retained after saving with the document.

     

    * Alignment guides can be enabled in Preferences on the General tab

     

    * Shapes can be masked with Ovals, Arrows, Stars and more (Format > Image > Mask with Shape > ...)

     

    * Accented characters are available in both headers and footers (type the character, hold and choose the one you want)

     

    * Word documents can be exported to iCloud ( File > Export > Word > Next ... then choose iCloud from the popup menu)

     

    Now, the deleted feature of "Open Pages '08 documents" is perhaps a bit odd. Did Pages '09 open documents from Pages '06 or whatever was before that?

     

    Listing 'Removed - sync with iOS6' is a bit odd too. You 'sync' with iCloud not an OS version. Maybe this needs clarifying.

     

    Also, "New file format not backwardly compatibile" is true. This is invariably true of any piece of software after a certain time. To take a crass example, Word 1 can't open Word 2003 documents yet the file extension/type for Word 1 and Word 2003 is .doc - no change. At some point you need to transfer older documents to a new format to continue working and this has been the way with almost everything over the years. Where the problem lies of course is that Pages 5 converts your Pages '09 documents silently with no option of reversion.

     

    The list of features missing in Pages 5 is bad enough without reprinting an incorrect list over and over and over. If it is to have value it needs to be correct.

  • 644. Re: Pages 5 features checklist
    Soozzi Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    For what it's worth, @PeterBreis0807, I totally agree with you!

     

    I share and edit docs with iWork 09 users/clients and with Word users. I now have to go find my old versions and try to restore them. Pages 5 is an unmittigated nightmare for me (and I emphasise "for me").

     

    Anyone talking about this being a brand new product, version zero, and so on, doesn't get that the product wasn't broken before, so why start all over again with something that looks and works like Pages 5 like it does now? I just don't get it. Sure, if you want a cut-down version, call it something else and allow the two apps to co-exist.

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